The Secret Beyond Matter

Mr. Adnan Oktar's Live Conversation with His Guests from Israel and Abroad

BÜLENT SEZGİN: Good night dear viewers. We are starting Pleasant Conversations program. Mr. Adnan Oktar, tonight we have esteemed guests with us. From Israel, Palestine, Jordan, France and Belgium, they came to visit you. I would like to introduce our guests to you.

Rabbi Abraham Sherman shlita (shlita is a name used for influential rabbis in the country.) Rabbi Sherman is a senior Rabbi and a Rabbinical Judge. He retired from his Chief Justice position after having served in the Israel Supreme Rabbinical Court for 32 years. He also served as legal advisor for numerous organizations and at the Nurnberg [Nuremberg] Trials carried out against Nazis.

Rabbi Yeshayahu HaKohen Hollander is a Kohen, which means that he is a descendant of the Prophet Aaron (pbuh). He was trained as a Rabbi for a long period, but also studied theoretical physics. He is also a licensed patent lawyer. He worked as the Foreign Minister of the Sanhedrin Rabbinical Court and worked as the Deputy Head of the Jerusalem Court for Bnei Noah. He lectured in theology schools and Tel Aviv University. He answers questions from all around the world regarding Judaism.

Rabbi Ben Abrahamson is a historian specializing in such matters as Islam and Judaic law. Since 2004 he has been a consultant to Jerusalem Rabbinical Courts on matters concerning Islam. He is the founder and director of [Alsadiqin] the Institute for Historical Research in Islam and Judaism, and studies the common past of the two faiths.

Rabbi Abrahamson last year published a book called ‘Divine Diversity: An Orthodox Rabbi Engages with Muslims.’ Rabbi Abrahamson has been working for the last 10 years on Islam and Judaism, and their occupying a respected place in Judaic law. In the past six years, he spoke in various conferences of the Inter-Parliamentary Coalition for Global Ethics on ‘importance of religion in achieving peace’ in different countries. He speaks in places such as the United Nations, the Israeli Parliament and the House of Lords and explains the importance of cooperating with religious and political leaders and with Muslims.

ADNAN OKTAR: This is so nice.

BÜLENT SEZGİN: Mr. Maksim Babitski is a politician from Yisrael Beiteinu Party. He is in the close circle of Defense Minister of Israel and also a businessman. He comments on TV channels that airs in Russian in Israel and speaks at international conferences. He works against anti-Semitism and heads the Rishonim People’s Organization.

Rabbi Moshe Yair Sherman is the son of Rabbi Sherman and his best student.

ADNAN OKTAR: Very good. Masha'Allah. So he is a Rabbi now? Very good.

BÜLENT SEZGİN: Mr. Symon Amsis, is a member of Yisrael Beiteinu and the Arab Christian liaison for the party. He is also a businessman and an architect. He is the director of three different companies as well as an activist of the Christian community. He works to make sure that everyone in Israel lives happily and in peace regardless of their ethnicity or faith and aims at a two-state solution.

Mr. Alexander Babushkin is a politician from Yisrael Beiteinu. He is also a successful businessman who studied political sciences and international relations. He is the leader of Tel Aviv Medical Center. A social activist and the founder of Rishon Youth Movement, Mr. Babushkin also leads the Israeli delegations in West Europe. He is the founder and executive of Rishon Sovet Foundation, which offers assistance to the needy regardless of their ethnicities or faith. The foundation meets the basic needs of hundreds of poverty stricken and underprivileged people.

Mrs. Rebecca Abrahamson is the wife of Rabbi Ben Abrahamson. She is a nurse and an author. She attends conferences focusing on peace with Muslims and Christians. She writes for famous publications of Israel. In her column named ‘Giving voice to peace-seeking Muslims’, she introduces peaceful Muslims to Israeli people. She also edited Rabbi Abrahamson’s book on meetings with Muslims.

Ms. Lital Shemesh is a news anchor for Channel 20. She is also a correspondent for the national Israeli Broadcast Authority (IBA) and a social media expert. She holds an MA in American Jewish studies.

Shemesh has 20 years of journalism experience, which she began at the age of 12 as a writer for children’s magazines. She is a TV formats creator, won various international format awards in many countries. She travels around the world and explains how biased media coverage has negative effects on the Israeli-Palestinian relations.

Mr. Frank Creyelman came from Belgium. He is an honorary Senator and Member of Parliament. In the Flemish Parliament, he chairs the Committee for Foreign Relations, European Affairs and International Cooperation. He also advises on Russia, China and the Middle East.

Imam Mohammed Azizi came from Paris. He holds an official imam position at the French government. He is actively taking part in political and religious efforts as the Co-Chairman of Muslim–Jewish Friendship Organization in France.

ADNAN OKTAR: Very good. Okay, let’s start with the most senior guest here.

Let me first say that you have honored us with your coming here.

We are very happy that you are here, I am very glad. It delights me to see you. We love Christians, Jews, Muslims; we love very much everyone that loves God. Therefore, we love you very much. And we pray to our Lord that our meetings and conversations will be even more frequent.

ADNAN OKTAR: Now, we have a senior amongst us. I don't think it would be very kind if I started first. So could the Chief Rabbi please start?

RABBI ABRAHAM SHERMAN: The most, greatest word was spoken from Mount Sinai. On this Mount He (God) proclaimed to all humanity the basic way how to build their life - to build their way of life. This was [inscribed in] the two tablets that were given by Him, not only for the Jewish people, but for all humanity, all the nations [of the world]. As our sages say, it did not stop with this event, when we all received these two tablets…

One tablet is dealing with belief in God: The day mentioned in this tablet deals with God, i.e. the holy day of Shabbat, the holiest day of the seven days [in a week]. Also the most important commandment to honor your father and your mother. This is building the human being, because it is through the father and mother raising children that a nation is built. Not by a single individual, but the nation is built together through “honoring the father and the mother.” They are not only giving you a physical body, but they are giving you also a soul, a deep spiritual identity.

And the spiritual is a part of Him [from God]. And therefore...ADNAN OKTAR: At this age, his eagerness and vitality is obviously due to his faith in God. This is your power of spirituality, masha'Allah. God is Almighty. His words are very beautiful and he is both very faithful, and a very pleasant and delightful person. The holy light on his face attracts my attention, he is so loveable. May God prolong his life. You have the face of a mumin, a believer, a Muslim.

RABBI ABRAHAM SHERMAN: I will continue. On the second (left) tablet there are five commandments. These commandments define the relationship between nations, and between each and every individual. And what does it teach? You shall not murder. This doesn’t not only mean only on the individual level, nations must not use all the power they have to bring death, destruction, and hatred, all these things. You shall not murder, there should be no bloodshed. After this, it teaches: You shall not destroy the holy connection between a man and a woman. Because this relationship is the foundation of humanity, our children, all this.

You shall not do these things. About this there is the tenth commandment, and this also concerns the relationship between individuals, You shall not steal. Stealing, it is written, comes from desiring what you see. You see what the other has built and you say I want this. I want that it to be for me.

And after this, you will see the fields or the fruits of your friend and say I want it. I will take it from you. This comes from a desire of the physical body, and ignores the spiritual soul. It ignores the two parts which form the basis of humanity: body and soul. From the earth and from the soul. And after this it says, Don’t desire your neighbors wife. ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Very nice.

RABBI ABRAHAM SHERMAN: We are all connected together, we are crying and saying [to the nations)], "Stop this murder. Stop the hatred. Stop violence." What do we see? See that in South Korea they live in fear of the dangers of atomic bombs, bombs that can kill so many people, entire cities.

There is fear about this. We see that even in Iran, there are some who say, “We will do it. We will build atomic weapons." Why? All the destruction? [Before we came on air)] we looked at a film show this kind of destruction during WWI and WWII. I looked this night at the world news. Eighty percent of it [the news] is about violence. From all corners of the world, violence even in Europe, violence in Asia, violence in all parts of the world. Our cry will not be heard? And you know, our sages say, ever from the moment of getting these two Tablets from God, with all their strong wording from Him -- one of our most important sages says -- every day since this time a voice is crying forth from the mountain [Mount Sinai].

Every day until today, a voice which is crying and says “Oh, I am very distraught from the behavior of all the creatures, of all the world. Because they don’t commit and don’t build their lives in line with these commandments.” So our sages say, if so, it means that all the instructions written on these two tablets were not temporary, only for that time. Rather it was from that time, for all generations, until today. We must build the foundation of our way of life on such basic commandments. And what is important to know, is that the Prophet Isaiah, he said…

ADNAN OKTAR: You see the great fervor of dear esteemed Rabbi Sherman in communicating religion. Masha'Allah, this is due to his deep faith. This is really so remarkable. This is a miracle, there is no other explanation to this perfection. Masha'Allah.

RABBI ABRAHAM SHERMAN: I have to say that I am only delegation [slave] of Him. All the truths that He tells to us, if I understand it, I have to give it to others and to all over the world. From this place it will come to the whole world to hear that such truths are written in our Holy Books. Our Holy Books do not incite fighting, or killing women and children.

And the hope is that from this place, we can altogether, like all the prophets, cry out: We have to build a new world! A world without fights. Without murder. Without bloodshed. With peace and brotherhood, together.The prophet Isaiah.

I think that in the Nabi Yishaya, the Prophet Isaiah (2:2-3), it is written, he says that in the coming days, it is written in the coming days that on the Holy Mountain in Jerusalem, all the nations shall flow to it (Jerusalem). And many peoples shall go and say, “Come and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the House of the God of Jacob. He will teach us His ways. And out of Zion will go the Law and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

The Prophet Ovadiah, he is a worker [slave] of God [so his name is] Oved Yah, he says that in the end of time, there are two areas are in the world. One it is written that all will go up to Mount Zion to make the Law in Mount Esav. Esav is also the brother of Jacob. What is the Mount of Esav and the Mount of Zion have to do with each other? This was written by one of the biggest religious leaders who lived after WWII, and came to Jerusalem after the war. He was one of most biggest religious leaders, and I am not even worthy to hold the fringes on his garments,

I learned from him for fifty one years. His name is Rabbi Eliashiv. He said, what is the Mount of Esav and the Mount of Zion have to do with each other? Esav [in the Torah] used all his wisdom to build instruments of war, of bringing death and to destroy all the peoples [but with the wisdom of Torah this should be turned into plowshares and instruments of peace].

ADNAN OKTAR: We will come back to our esteemed master, but for now let’s continue with Rabbi Hollander and then we will come back to him again.

RABBI ABRAHAM SHERMAN: I will finish with a song.

ADNAN OKTAR: Excellent, go ahead please. But I think it would be even greater if that song was about Moshiach.

RABBI ABRAHAM SHERMAN: I don’t know what others will say. I will finish with a song. About Moshiach, I will sing.

ADNAN OKTAR: That is great, alright.

RABBI ABRAHAM SHERMAN: Now? Or on finishing? He [Mr. Adnan Oktar) is the owner of our delegation, so he will decide.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, insha'Allah.

RABBI ABRAHAM SHERMAN: "May there be peace in your wall, tranquility in your palaces May there be peace in your wall, tranquility in your palaces

For the sake of my brethren and my companions, I shall now speak of peace in you. For the sake of the house of the Lord our God, I shall beg for goodness for you." (Psalm 122:6-7)

"May there be peace in your wall, tranquility in your palaces

May there be peace in your wall, tranquility in your palaces

For the sake of my brethren and my companions, I shall now speak of peace in you.

For the sake of the house of the Lord our God, I shall beg for goodness for you. (Psalm 122:6-7)

Now I will translate and explain some verses from the Prophet Isaiah (2:2-4). He says so that in your walls of the High Holy Place in Jerusalem, on these walls there will be peace. All the nations will come, and Moshiach together, we all,- all the Christians and the Muslims from all of over the world - will come in this place. And what we are singing, we hope that there will be shalom, there will be peace in your walls of Jerusalem. And the Prophet Isaiah continues, it is all for our brothers and our friends. And I think we are all friends that are all sitting here together. It is for all our brothers, not only Jews, our brothers all the people for the world.

It will bring brotherhood and peace in the land. I ask You, I beg You for tov, tov is the best good [Psalm 122:7]. This is the best good for all the world, says the Prophet Isaiah from his place. This is what he prays. We say and we pray to You, that you will bring shalom, peace for all the nations that are coming here. And this will happen in the Days of Moshiach. Moshiach will see, and all the nations will see the fulfillment of our prayer for peace.

ADNAN OKTAR: This is how an ideal believer, an ideal Muslim is. Perfect. We love you very much. Everything you say is beautiful, everything you say is very sincere. And you only speak for God. It is very clear from your face that you love God very much, and for that reason we love you very much. Masha’Allah. Now let’s listen to our esteemed guest, let’s listen to him.

RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: After very inspiring words of Rabbi Sherman, I will only say what I have prepared in advance. I brought you a book from my wife. You have sent through me presents to her over the years every time I came. And now she says it’s time to return the present to you. We give you a book on Jerusalem with a dedication. I sent the dedication in advance so it can be translated directly into Turkish, and I don't have to read the English, but if you like I will read the English. You can read the translation. The dedication of this book on Jerusalem is to you. Shall I read it, or shall I read the translation directly?

TRANSLATOR (Reading Rabbi Hollander's letter): Dear Mr. Adnan Oktar, Dear Brothers and Sisters, The time has come to give thanks to the One Almighty God, for many aspects of my life, and in this letter I express thanks to God and to God’s servants and messengers, Mr. Adnan Oktar and the Brothers and Sisters, for helping me to understand more of the Works of God and of God’s ultimate creation – Human Beings.  It is through you, Mr. Adnan Oktar and the Brothers and Sisters, that I became in warm, cordial relationship with True Muslims. It is through you and what developed as a result of our relationship that I found favor in the Eyes of God to be an instrument of Him to do some benefit to people, Jews and Muslims alike. Only recently, through Mr. Adnan Oktar and the Brothers and Sisters, we gave advice to the Turkish government which brought about the formal reconciliation between Turkey and Israel. Nine years have passed since we first met. Eventful years. Through my relationship with you, I have had the possibility of advising Muslims and Jews regarding the possibilities of true peace between Arabs and Israel, based upon the Qur’an. This message has been happily received in many quarters. Perhaps, with the help of God, this message will reach the minds and hearts of people with the power to bring these religious truths to a political solution, which will find favor in the eyes of the One God, our Master.

With Great Appreciation,


Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander

ADNAN OKTAR: Very beautiful. Dear esteemed Rabbi Abrahamson always speaks very wisely. Let’s hear his beautiful words.

RABBI BEN ABRAHAMSON: First of all, I want to thank you for inviting and allowing us to come here. You have been wonderful hosts, as you have always been. Each of us comes, in a sense, with a sad heart, because we see that there is tension, there is fighting, there is difficulties happening nearby us.

All of us came with a heart [intention] to try and find a way to improve the situation, to make things better, to join together as believers. The word for ‘mumin’ doesn't just mean somebody who believes in God but also somebody who is believable, who is trustworthy and credible. And we reach out, we are looking now to join together with people, with trustworthy people, so we can help to build a solution for what we are facing now. We have so much in common. If you look at the calendar… you have the Hebrew ‘Rosh Hashanah’, which is the same as ‘Ras as-Sana’, you have the ‘Yom Kippur’, which is the same as ‘Ashura’, you have ‘Laylat al-Bara’at’, which is the same as ‘Passover’, you have Ramadan, which is the same as ‘Sefirat HaOmer’, and Eid ul-Fitr is same as Pentecost. It goes on and on. We have so much in common. Now it is Ramadan; there are corresponding things also in Jewish tradition. We have so much in common that it is inconceivable that believers should be fighting with each other. So I think, all of us hope that by finding that true leadership what we call the ‘Messianic Hope’, the hope for a leader like King David or King Solomon, who will combine righteousness, justice and truth together with true teaching of the fear of God and teaching the scripture the way it should, teach it truly, so all of us can know the better what it means to be a good believer. It’s the Messianic hope, which we are looking for, and hope to find, hope to find a solution.

ADNAN OKTAR: Would the kind lady like to speak?

REBECCA ABRAHAMSON: Thank you very much. It’s a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for your gracious hospitality, it’s always a pleasure. I guess what I’d like to emphasize is the harmony that Jews and Muslims are really supposed to live in. And if we can - I took some examples from actually Haram al-Sharif, the Temple Mount, and history, in Jewish history and Islamic history. And then I want to pull out, make a point from that. In Jewish sources that include non-Jews on the Temple Mount, in Psalm 135, we have the three circles of believers who would circumambulate around the Holy of the Holies, the priests, the Israelites, and non-Jewish God-fearers.

Non-Jews were included in the Temple Mount in ancient history. Herod also expanded the Temple Mount to include non-Jewish believers. Later in Islam, Islam also included non-Muslim believers. In fact, in the 7th century, Caliph Omar restored the Temple Mount to Jewish and Christian use.

And in the 8th century, Caliph Abd al-Malik constructed the Dome of the Rock based on Ezekiel’s prophecy. And the Arabic writings inside the Dome of the Rock are actually directed at worshipers from a Christian background. One more example, then I will defer to the translator.

In the 16th century, Sultan Suleiman restored the Temple Mount and he actually had the following inscription engraved on a stone on one of the entrance gates, which was ‘La ilaha ill Allah Abraham Habib Allah’.

Abraham, Ibrahim includes Jews, Christians, Muslims and the Sabians, who we call the Bnei Noah, the monotheist, who aren’t affiliated. So we see that all through Jewish and Islamic history, we worked together even on the Temple Mount. So I’ll defer to the translator and then I want to make a point.

OKTAR BABUNA: We'll come back to you.

ADNAN OKTAR: Let’s listen to the gentleman.

MAXIM BABITSKI: Before all else we wish you all a Blessed Ramadan and thank you very much for inviting us.

ADNAN OKTAR: I thank you also.

MAXIM BABITSKI: I have learnt a lot of new information while listening to you.

We met people who believe in peace, who want peace and who strive to change this world.

IMAM MOHAMMED AZIZI: Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

ADNAN OKTAR: Wa alaykum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

IMAM MOHAMMED AZIZI: First of all, please let me express my best wishes to you all in this blessed month of Ramadan, the month of fasting and qiyam [prayer]. Furthermore, I would like to extend my thanks to our guests who came here facing up to difficulties to share and have an exchange of ideas and to pray. I wish them all inner peace that is because there is the need for inner peace for all lasting peace. I would like to express the same sentiments as my friends here did: indeed if animosity spreads only with animosity, respect would spread only through respect, the same is valid for love, for hearkening one another, for friendship spreading towards Berit Ahim, the Brotherly Covenant.

After all Maimonides, namely Moses ben Maimon, states in his Mishneh Torah that Christianity and Islam opened the way for making the whole world a better place and for all to worship God in a shared harmony. That means we –all people, all religions, all ethnic groups, all identities– are responsible for uniting and striving together to stand against darkness and violence. We are all brothers, brothers in humanity. We all have the same ancestor: Ibrahim Alayhi Salam or Ibrahim Al-Khalil.

For both our selves, our children and for future generations, we are all responsible for striving to form feelings of friendship and establishing bonds of companionship. That is my wish for this blessed night of Ramadan.

ADNAN OKTAR: What is most important is the essence. There cannot be a political solution to these issues. Saying ‘this is a terrorist, that is a terrorist’, this behavior will not end problems. In other words, putting the blame on each other will not solve anything. Actually, that is what is causing a deadlock. All around the world, people are labeling each other ‘terrorists’. Muslims call Christians terrorists, Christians call Jews terrorists, Jews call Christians and Muslims terrorists and so on. We are not doing that, we won’t do that. We don't accept that. Yes there are known terrorists, that’s another thing. Yes, there are blood-shedding, violent terrorists and they are really terrorists. But it is also true we cannot achieve anything by only making ‘terrorist’ accusations. The solution is the Qur'an, the Torah and the Gospel. You heard, our guests quoted the Torah. It is amazing. We will solve this problem with religion, with religious people. With religious Jews, religious Muslims and religious Christians. Politics cannot solve anything. On the contrary, politics destroyed the world, politics is taking the world to a death. It is clear that it is not going to work with politics. Accusations only lead to violence, anger only leads to more anger. Such things obviously do not help.

ADNAN OKTAR: Politicians have been working to find a solution for seventy years, for more than a century, and they couldn't achieve it. They were taking the world to a disaster, to its death. The only solution is the Moshiach mentioned in the Torah, and indicated in the Qur'an and in the hadiths. Let’s pray for the advent of Moshiach. May God allow us to see Moshiach very soon. When that happens, Christians, Jews, Muslims will all be brothers and sisters. However, accusations, violence will only take the world to its demise. The problem can be solved only with love, with trust, with brotherhood, and by showing love and affection. Let us solve the problem with love; we can solve it among ourselves.

ADNAN OKTAR: Very soon, insha’Allah [God willing], we will rebuild the Prophet Solomon’s masjid [temple], and the Prophet Solomon’s palace. Palestine and Israel will live together, side by side, in peace and harmony. This is going to happen by means of Moshiach. No one will accuse each other, everyone will treat each other with respect. We will get rid of all the weapons, all the military vehicles, break all the bows and arrows. Everyone will be friends with one another. Every state will be independent and separate, but they will not require passports or visas from each other. There won’t be any more fights. We will solve the problems with friendship. Almighty Lord explains so beautifully in the Psalms. Please read this part, Psalms 133:1; "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!" And in Malachi [2:10]; "Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?"

In Psalm 37:37; "for the end of that man is peace." In Isaiah 2:4; "Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."

In Micah 4:4; "Everyone will sit under their own vine and under their own fig tree, and no one will make them afraid." We only care about what is in the Torah, the Gospel and the Qur'an. We don't care about the statements of the politicians.

In Ezekiel, 39:9:10; "they will… set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears; and they will make fires with them."

This means there will be no more weapons in the world. We only pay heed to these statements. Of course, I am not criticizing all the politicians, there are good politicians too, but this problem cannot be solved with politics. It can be solved only with love of God, fear of God. Now, let’s hear the gentleman.

FRANK CREYELMAN: It is very difficult now, because you just said that the politicians don´t have solutions.

OKTAR BABUNA: But he said also there are good politicians.

FRANK CREYELMAN: Maybe, maybe. Anyway thank you again for your hospitality, for your invitation.

ADNAN OKTAR: You are one of the good ones.

FRANK CREYELMAN: Thank you, thank you. Well, it is good that you made me a member of the delegation here from Israel, because I have been three times in my life to Israel and I know the suffering and the fears of the people of Israel in Israel, because of the political situation. That is true also for the fears of the people in Palestine and others in the region. You know that I have been to Syria, in the past maybe 5-6 years maybe seven times, where I witnessed the terrible bloodshed and the terrible things that were done in the name of religion, in the name of Islam. There are people from Daesh, aren’t to be called people because all things they are doing are inhumane.

I will give you very sick example of what these people are doing. They are putting some things that explode into Barbie dolls, they put them into the rubber. And than of course young girls they come, they see all these Barbie dolls, they pick them up and they explode. I saw a young girl who was nine years old come in with two legs cut and one arm cut. This is terrible if you have to watch this.

These things do not happen only in the Middle East. They also happen, let’s say, in Ukraine. I was in Donetsk, a few weeks ago. I was in Crimea, also there terrible things are happening between Christian nations. Not only between Islamic terrorists, or so-called Islamic terrorists, and others. It happens between everybody. We have the bloodshed with the Palestinians few weeks ago, also those things happen. It’s not only the region, it’s also the people doing something to other people.

What can I do as a politician, which I am. I am from a small country, we are no world power. But we have the power of the world, we are gifted. We are no threat to nobody. We are in the middle of the Europe, between three great states: Between Germany, Britain, France, and Holland. We know a lot about other world wars, because a lot of fights were on our territory also. First World War, Second World War and long before that, all the fights of Europe between just three nations. So we are for peace more than other people.

So I think it’s very important, the work you are doing is bringing all these people here. All these different religions together. Seeing that they can understand each other. It’s not that difficult, it just needs to be done and you are doing it. Thank you for that.

ADNAN OKTAR: We thank you very much.

ADNAN OKTAR: I believe you hadn’t completed your speech.

REBECCA ABRAHAMSON: I just want to make a point that when we look at ancient Jewish history and Islamic history from 7th to 16th century, we see that both our peoples included the other even on the Temple Mount. Islam in that sense, in opening Temple Mount to Christians and Jews and to non-affiliated monotheists, which are Bnei Noah or Sabians, that’s Islam’s role as ‘Dafi’a’, which means ‘defender, protector’. Maybe defender is a better translation from it. Absolute ownership does not exist in Hebrew or Arabic. Neither language has the word ‘to have’. So no one can say the Temple Mount is mine, the land is mine, Jerusalem is mine. I belong to the land, I belong to Jerusalem, the land belongs to Allah, Jerusalem belongs to Allah. And when we look at the glorious history of Islam in being dafi’a, in terms of the holy sites, we need to really feel the tragedy that any Muslim anywhere, that in Gaza in Syria, is suffering. And we need to do everything we can to think about solutions to bring these glorious people back to where they belong. And that is having a strong nephesh, a strong spirit in defending the religious freedom of every other monotheist. It makes us feel even more pain when we see them suffering in Gaza and Syria.

ADNAN OKTAR: This cannot be accomplished without the Moshiach. It is clear that this problem can be solved only by means of religious people; it depends on their attitude. Politicians have created a dead end, which led to a horrible world. At the moment, all around the world people hate each other. Many people hate Jews, many people hate Christians and many people hate Muslims. And some people are trying to fuel this policy of hatred even more. But religion puts a complete end to hatred. Christianity, Judaism and Islam bring love, peace and brotherhood. The solution for the world is loving God, it is people from different religions loving each other and being friends. Because when it is left to the politicians, the problems get only worse. Everyone calls each other a terrorist and this is creating only more violence and anger, and taking the world to hatred, to death. Obviously this is not a solution. The solution is love, friendship, peace and brotherhood as described in Torah, Gospel and the Qur'an. This is very easy. Religious people should come together, stand in solidarity. UN should take lead and world leaders should take part. And even Freemasons and Knight Templars, they should be involved and support. Everyone should support and then it will be possible to achieve these beautiful outcomes.

All these developments, the clashes, conflicts, spread of atheism, spread of cruelty, tyranny, they are all the signs of advent of Moshiach. All the signs of Moshiach’s appearance have come true. The Prophet Mohammad listed a hundred signs of Moshiach’s appearance and all of those signs came true. This is how it is in the Torah. Sanhedrin Court gathered and announced that we are in the time of Moshiach. It is very clear that the salvation lies in the unity of Muslims, in the brotherly union of Christians, Jews and Muslims and in their solidarity.

Once again, thank you very much for coming here. Insha’Allah you will be here tomorrow, you are our guests. We will meet again. May God strengthen and fortify our love, our brotherhood. May God allow us to be in His Heaven, may God give us a world dominated by love and brotherhood. Insha’Allah, we will see the beautiful promises in the Torah, Qur'an and Gospel come true. And then after that, insha’Allah, we will start the beautiful life in Heaven.





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