The Secret Beyond Matter

Mr. Adnan Oktar's live interview with Mr. Kourosh Ziabari of Iran Tehran Times (April 15th, 2015)

ADNAN OKTAR: Welcome, welcome. Please go ahead. You've honored us, you've graced us. 

- Master, our guest has been following your works, he knows about your shows and wants to translate them into Farsi. He likes you a lot and follows your works. He has told us that he is honored to be here. Insha'Allah. 

OKTAR BABUNA: May I present him Master? 


OKTAR BABUNA: The name of our guest is Kourosh Ziabari. Iranian journalist, Mr.Ziabari writes for the official paper of the Iranian government, Tehran Times and also for Iranian Review and Fair Observer website based in the UK. Apart from these his pieces are also published in Your Middle East, Policy Digest and Farsi New Agency.  He has been awarded with Superior Iranian youth award on 2012. He also has been awarded with three successive Iranian National Press Festival award between the years 2011 and 2013.  His interview with you on 2009 has been published in Tehran Times and the other one on 2014 has been published in Farsi News Agency. He has been a keen follower of your works.  

ADNAN OKTAR: Welcome. Welcome again. I've been honored with your coming.


ADNAN OKTAR: Do go on, I am listening to you. 

KOUROSH ZIABARI: Well, thank you very much for receiving me. My wife is Azeri and she knows Turkish so I've learnt some Turkish as well. So I would like to thank you for giving me this opportunity to talk to you. 

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, how nice. 

KOUROSH ZIABARI: Thanks. So, well, as my first question I would like to ask you about the importance of Islamic Unity. And the fact that the Islamic community is facing some challenges today. How is it important for the Islamic world, for the Islamic nations to get united to face the challenges and to fight the common enemies and to eradicate extremism and the challenges arising from the rise of terrorist organizations that are operating under the banner of Islam but seem not to have anything to do with Islam?

ADNAN OKTAR: All Islamic world knows about this and satan does not let this happen. I mean uniting the Islamic world means attaining heaven on Earth. Even if only Iran unites with Turkey, Islam would rapidly prevail in the whole world very easily. But it should be without sectarian ambitions. And there should be a very sincere love. Self-sacrificing. For instance when we talk to the Iranian people, when we talk to the authorities of the Iranian government one by one, they all are very good people. When we talk to the Turkish government authorities one by one, they are very good people as well. Who is the reason for prolonging this issue this much? I fail to come up with an answer. As if it is something that is very difficult when it would have taken maximum half an hour. You simply abolish the borders, put aside passports, visas and go embrace them. They are trying to present it as if they are in an inextricable trouble, as if they are struggling inside a muddy well. They are misrepresenting the easiest as the hardest. If a country starts its words by saying before all else "our national interests are our priority," love cannot be formed in such circumstances. I mean, they say that their national interests are above all others. The other party says the same. When that is the case, you can never be friends with them. You should say "I am not selfish, I am not egotistical, I am not after my own interests either, my goal is love and self-sacrifice.

For instance, this is why they are holding D-8 meetings, G-21 meetings. My brother, there is no need for you to assume an attitude as if you are decoding a logarithm. There is no need for such a attitude. You should go embrace a Muslim as the radiance they are, you should be their friend, their companion. You should go say "As-Salamun Alaykom" and that is as easy as that. If you use such a complicated system, such a formal attitude, such a formal manner friendship would never be formed. The Prophet Abraham (pbuh) built a beautiful land for himself and lived there. There were calves, there were sheep; angels come to him as guests and he says "welcome!". He doesn't say "what is it in it for me to engage in a conversation with you?" He doesn't say; "what are my national interests?" Without having any concerns for himself, he slaughters a calf and treat it to his guests, he gives them food, a good fatty yoghurt, he gives them ayran and tell them to go ahead and eat. He doesn't say; "what are my interests from you?" The method of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) is necessary. 

Yes, you go on. 

KOUROSH ZIABARI: So, what do you think is the most important impediment to the way of the coming together of the Muslim nations? What is separating the Muslim nations today? We see that the European nations after the two world wars, came together, formed the European Union and are now united, are sharing many values, social values, cultural values. But the Muslim nations are unfortunately fighting each other in many countries, in many parts of this region. What do you think is the most important hurdle or obstacle to the union and solidarity between the Muslim nations?

ADNAN OKTAR: If they do not accept Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) God would never take away the troubles off of them. As they assume an attitude against Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) God increases the troubles casted upon them a thousand times more. Almighty God ruins and makes havoc of the whole Islamic world. If they accept Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), everywhere would be filled with radiance and light within that day. The key point is Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh).

KOUROSH ZIABARI: So, we are seeing today that Muslim, actually the terrorist group the ISIS or DAESH, is growing in the region, it is waging a war against the nations of Iraq and Syria. And it is growing its influence across the region in the Middle East, it is killing hundreds of innocent people, the children, the women and it's unfortunately promoting its horrendeous actions under the name of Islam. What do you think about the rise of the terrorist group ISIS-DAESH and how should the Muslim nations unite together to fight it?  And how it is possible for them to separate themselves from this group and make the world believe that the Muslim majority, the peaceful majority of the Muslims do not have anything to do with this group?

ADNAN OKTAR: Muslims cannot unite without Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). Without Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) ISIS will always attack them and shed blood. They will continue to employ violence ruthlessly. They will continue to spread terror. Our Prophet (saas) foretold about this group as a group that will appear before Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) in great details. He foretold about their banners, their appearance, their attire, their beards, the violence they will employ. However our Prophet (saas) also says that only Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will stop them. They also say that they will eventually abide by Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). But air-bombing, striving to destroy Muslims only helps this group even further, only makes them even stronger. I mean look, be careful, Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is the goal of this group. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is the goal of their activities in Iraq. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is the goal of all their activities in Syria. Mahdi is the goal of Israel. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is the goal of America as well. Then it is obvious that there is no solution other than the system of the Mahdi. They will either accept the system of the Mahdi or the world will be ruined. 

KOUROSH ZIABARI:  Right. And let us get to another issue that is important for me to point out. And that is the growth of anti-religious sentiments, anti-religious approaches across the world, especially in the West. We see that homosexuality is being legalized in certain states of the US and some European countries. We see that the people, the young people in the West are becoming and growing more irreligious and indifferent towards moral values. How do you see these developments and how can we counter that?


ADNAN OKTAR: Again, because they do not abide by the system of the Mahdi, because they do not gather around Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), God spreads around this trepidation as an inauspiciousness, as a scourge, as a heavenly disaster. All countries of the world espouse Darwinist thought. Including Iran, including Turkey, including Saudi Arabia, all of them support Darwinism. Darwinism is a system that defies God, one that denies God. The whole world defies God and God is ruining the whole world right now. 

KOUROSH ZIABARI: Right. And also, regarding that growth of, and the influence of Darwinism, actually our viewers know that you have been working on the issue of Darwinism and the Creationism and this debate between these two schools of thought and that you have challenged the influential Darwinists including Richard Dawkins and that he refused to take part in a debate with you. So do you think that Darwinism is still living an impact on the minds and souls of the people accross the world? I have read that you said "Darwinism gives rise to Nazism, to terrorism, to secularism, to irreligiousness of the souls and minds of people. " Do you think that it is still living an impact and it is still affecting the minds and souls of people across the world?

ADNAN OKTAR: In all of the Islamic countries Darwinism is taught to youngsters mandatorily within the philosophy of education. And nobody can do anything contrary. As I have previously said, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Turkey, in all of them, in Syria, in Iraq, in all of them there is a belief system that denies the existence of God, that claims that humans came into being as a result of coincidences from a muddy water and that a worm is their ancestor. And Darwinism denies all prophets. It says that Prophets are lying. All Islamic countries advocate this philosophy; actually they advocate both Islam and a system that denies God. That is why God makes havoc of the world.

Throughout the thousands of years of the history of the world, there has never been such a belief system that defies God, that rebels God.  Almost 99 % of the world defies God right now, through Darwinism. All the states in the world collect money from their citizens and impose the Darwinist philosophy that teaches that God does not exist in their textbooks to their students. All the leaders of the Islamic world, individually have claims about being the Mahdi. So long as they do not pledge their alliance to the real Mahdi (pbuh), this violence, this torment will continue increasingly. The leader with a slightly increased political power stakes a claim for being the Mahdi. God ruins such people and makes them fall into destitute and destroy them. But they fail to understand and still continue, they continue to ask for trouble from God. 

KOUROSH ZIABARI: Alright. So do you think that the solution to end this situation and the solution to get out of this current dilemma is to put aside the curriculum that is predicated and based on the teachings of Darwinism and to introduce a new philosophy that is based on the teachings of God and the religious curriculum actually?

ADNAN OKTAR: Darwinism should be taught even more comprehensively and its scientific response should be given very comprehensively as well. Especially the paleontological evidence should be displayed all around by the state for people to see. It is the world's worst fabricated, most illogical, worst philosophy; one that makes satan laughs out loud. Such a ridiculous structure has never been heard of or seen before until now.  It is the most unreasonable philosophy which denies God. Even idolaters believe that God is the One Who creates idols. These, on the other hand, believe that everything came into being as a result of coincidences.  Such an unruliness, such a defiance has never been seen or heard before. All Muslim countries abide by Darwinism in unison, with the fervent of an act of worship. I mean Turkey for instance is a religious country, Iran is a religious country, yet they support Darwinism with all their might. And then they read the Qur'an out loud. However Darwinism denies the Qur'an anyway, it claims that the Qur'an is lying –may God forbid. It claims that there are no Prophets. The governments advocate Darwinism and then read the Qur'an out loud, as if they are mocking- May God forbid. That is why God has casted troubles upon the Islamic world. Eventually they will embrace the Mahdi but by then the world will be pretty ruined. They will not be able to find any other solution. 

KOUROSH ZIABARI: So your emphasis on the arrival of Imam Mahdi is very interesting for me as a Shia because there are some people in the Islamic world, who try to enlarge and aggrandize, amplify the differences between the Shias and the Sunnis They try to indoctrinate this belief that there is a split and there is a division between the Sunnis and the Shias. And that they should be at a situation of conflict and constant skirmish with each other. But it seems that - what you are emphasizing on is that the Muslims – whether Shia or Sunni- are brothers, they are together and they should unite, they should work for a common future, they should work for a common objective. Is that true?  

ADNAN OKTAR: Shias are very religious. I mean they perfectly advocate Islam. Both Shias and Sunnis are devout people. Their failure in unity is a plot of the satan, there is no other explanation. There is a very mysterious, unaccountable evil plot. For instance look, you are Shia and there are other Shias who come to us as guests, they all believe in the Oneness of God, they are all in love with our Prophet (saas); we have the same kiblah, we have the same Kaaba, everything we have are the same but it is unbelievable that there is an inconceivable hatred among them. They do not implicate it but a great part of Sunnis consider Shias as directly irreligious. I mean they see them as unbelievers, to be blunt. And a good portion of Shias, consider Sunnis in explicit unbelief and blasphemy. That is terrifying. The fact that radiant Muslims all of which say "La Ilaha Illa Allah Mohammed Ar-Rasul Allah" think that of each other is a very comprehensive plot of the satan. And as if it is not enough satan has enthralled them all with Darwinism. Satan is literally mocking with the world right now. 

KOUROSH ZIABARI:  Right. So on this point, what do you think about the possibilities for Iran and Turkey, as two major Muslim nations- Iran is a Shia majority country and Turkey is a Sunni majority country but they are two major players in the Islamic world. And they are two major economic Powers, they are two allies and they have many common cultural and religious similarities and common points. What do you think about the cooperation of these two big partners and allies in the region in fostering the common goals of the Muslim nations, the Muslim community? What do you think that these two nations can do in improving the life style and the living conditions of the Muslims across the world?

ADNAN OKTAR: They can never unite without Hazrat Mahdi. A very insincere system is going on and it will continue to do so. There has not been an inch of change. Friendship had never be formed among them for years, for decades, for ages. It can only be formed with Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). It is very wrong to look for Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) at the bottom of a well. It is very wrong to deny Hazrat Mahdi either. With a sincere conscience, Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) should be looked for among the explicit and clear hadiths of our Prophet (saas). I mean if you keep saying that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is at the bottom of a well, you would be killing and annihilating him anyway. You would thus be annihilating the thought of Mahdi, the belief in the Mahdi.  And others say there is no Mahdi in the hadiths. And these ones try to annihilate the notion in that fashion. Both are fallacies. Both are fallacies to prevent the system of the Mahdi. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) would not come out of the bottom of a well. And it is not acceptable to deny Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) either.  Sunnis are expecting a Mahdi with angels on his shoulders; they believe that Mahdi will wander around with angels visible on his shoulders. That makes the existence of Hazrat Mahdi impossible for them.  If you say that he is at the bottom of a well; that would not be possible either. It would not be possible for Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) to appear like that. That is why Hazrat Mahdi will be the one who will save people from these wrongful beliefs.

With the hadiths, God has explicitly defined the way to be saved from this trouble. They will either act as our Prophet (pbuh) demands or the Islamic world will be ruined. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will bring about modernity, beauty, love, friendship and brotherhood. He will bring about women's rights.   He will break and cast away the chains on Muslims.  He will bring about the understanding of Islam as it was in the time of the Companions of our Prophet (saas). The world will turn into Heaven on Earth. This will happen even if they try to prevent it. This beautiful result will be attained with manifestations of God's Names "Al-Qahhar", "Al-Jabbar".  Right now God is manifesting Himself in the world with His Names Al-Qahhar and Al-Jabbar.  And He manifests Himself with His Name Al-Hadi through Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and his students. We will see the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh)  and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) as well. No matter how much they try to deny it. 

I think that this is enough for tonight. If it is also okay for you we can end our conversation on that note.

KOUROSH ZIABARI: No problem. But I have a final question if possible.   

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, of course. Please go on.

KOUROSH ZIABARI: Thank you. So I am coming from Iran and you have written several pieces of articles about Iran, about the solidarity between Iran and Turkey, and the role of Iran in the Islamic world. As a final question I would like to ask you what do you think about the distorted and falsified image being portrayed of Iran in the mainstream media and in the West? The fact that they are trying to pretend that the Iranians are not peaceful people, they are fanatics, they are not civilized, they don't have anything to do with the modern culture of the 21st century. What do you think about the false and unrealistic portrayal of Iran and the Iranians in the Western media?  

ADNAN OKTAR: For the sake of God, Iran should hold on to Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and bring up the subject of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh).  But should bring up his name very much and Iran will thus be saved. However it should not be in the sense of superstitions, it should be rational, sincere and truthfully. They should do as I say; they will see the result. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will be the one who will save Iran. God made Shias love him this much and they are the ones who appreciate the Mahdi the most. They should hold on to the Mahdi (pbuh). Yet they are only talking about the Mahdi (pbuh) very rarely; that is very bad. Especially their head of state should bring the place down with the name of the "Mahdi". 

Alright. Thank you very much. You've graced us with your presence. You've honored us.

KOUROSH ZIABARI: I thank you. Thank you very much.

ADNAN OKTAR: May God be pleased with you, we will be expecting you again. 

KOUROSH ZIABARI: Of course insha'Allah.

2015-08-01 12:54:46

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