The Secret Beyond Matter

Mr. Adnan Oktar's live conversation with Channel 10 TV of Israel (September 18th, 2011; 22:00)

(From Mr. Adnan Oktar's live program on A9 TV, September 18th, 2011)

ADNAN OKTAR: We greet all our brothers in Israel, those Muslim, Christian and Jewish brothers. We love them all. We feel so much compassion for them all. We want them to be good, to be at ease. We want them to be in peace. We believe that we are in the End Times. Yes. We believe that we are in the time of King Messiah, in other words, the Moshiach. All the portents related in the Torah regarding the coming of the King Messiah, the Moshiach have come true. That is all the signs regarding the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) have been realized. We see these portents both in the Prophet Muhammad's (saas) hadiths and the Torah accounts. My friend will read some of the related passages in the Torah and then I will proceed.


Peace and Tranquility During the Time of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] According to the Torah

An End to Wars

Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. (Isaiah, 2:4)

I will take away the chariots from Ephraim and the war-horses from Jerusalem, and the battle bow will be broken… (Zechariah, 9:10)

And at that time, there will be no hunger or war, no jealousy or rivalry… (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Laws of Kings, 12:5)

An End to the Arms Race

… burn them (the weapons) up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears… they will use them for fuel… (Ezekiel, 39: 9)

They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. (Isaiah, 2:4)

A Climate of Peace and Security

Every man will sit under his own vine and under his own fig tree, and no one will make them afraid... (Micah, 4:4)

The fruit of righteousness will be peace; the effect of righteousness will be quietness and confidence forever. My people will live in peaceful dwelling places, in secure homes, in undisturbed places of rest. (Isaiah, 32:16-18)

The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together, and a little child will lead them... The infant will play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest. They will neither harm nor destroy... (Isaiah, 11:6-9)

... no one will make them afraid. (Zephaniah, 3:13)

I will give him rest from all his enemies on every side... (1 Chronicles, 22:9)

They will not… bear children for calamity… (Isaiah, 65:23)

An End to Violence and Terror

They will neither harm nor destroy... (Isaiah, 11:9)

The meek will inherit the land... (Psalm, 37:11)

The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent's food... (Isaiah, 65:25)

People will Live in Happiness and Joy

Gladness and joy will overtake them, and sorrow and sighing will flee away. (Isaiah, 51:11)

Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing. (Isaiah, 51:3)

... they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as men rejoice when dividing the plunder. (Isaiah, 9:3)

... everlasting joy will be theirs. (Isaiah, 61:7)

People will Enjoy Peace and Security

It will be inhabited... and secure. (Zechariah, 14:11)

I will heal My people and will let them enjoy abundant peace and security. (Jeremiah, 33:6)

ADNAN OKTAR: This is enough for the time being. Yes, our broadcast with Israel is still continuing now, right? There are no problems whatsoever between the Turkish and the Israeli people. Both sides love one another vey much. They regard one another as brothers. This has been the case for centuries. When he met the Jews, our Prophet (saas) used to take off his cassock and lay it underneath them. He made them sit on it and conversed with them. Our Prophet (saas) married a Jewish lady. He also married a Christian lady. You also know the Spanish period; Jews were persecuted in Spain. We took them from Spain and brought here. To our most beautiful city; we made them settle in the most distinguished district of our most beautiful city [Istanbul] and we presented friendship and brotherhood to them in the most favorable manner.

This is tradition for us, in other words, we have always possessed feelings of compassion and protection towards the Jews. And it will henceforth be so. Therefore, this crisis is only temporary, it is inappropriate to look at the circumstance and think that this will get worse, or eventually turn into either fight or war. There will not be any war and there will be no fight. On the contrary there will only be peace and brotherhood because we are in the Era of the Mashiach.

Israel together with Palestine and Turkey will be right in the midst of all kinds of beauties and all other blessings. Our Israeli brothers will embrace the Palestinian brothers. The fight will end. Those walls will be torn down, those giant walls, tall and high walls. Check points will also be removed. Because peace and brotherhood will prevail, this is what we see in the hadiths of our Prophet (saas). The Messenger of Allah (saas) has described the End Times in minute detail, that is the time of the Mahdi (pbuh). In the same way, we see this in the Torah just as we have read from the Torah, you have also seen. We are in the time that the Torah has informed of. The King Mashiach has come; the Mahdi has come. Let us rejoice it. For that reason the sounds of fight and noises of war should be removed from now on, and those will be removed and you will witness these, too. In about ten to twenty years, a great brotherhood and peace will prevail in the region. Our brothers should feel the enjoyment of this. They should not be at unnecessary unease.

Surely Jews are brothers in religion with one another, and so are the Muslims. With our Jewish brothers, on the other hand, we are brothers in this world. And we feel compassion and respect for their views and beliefs. We are not of the opinion that anyone should suffer any intervention and repression due to his creed, for in the Qur'an Allah makes it explicit that "there is no compulsion in the religion." Noone can ever distort Allah's provision. Noone can be forced to convert into Islam. A religion is religion if it is embraced liberally. If compulsion is in question, it ceases to be religion. So let our Israeli brothers have this notion on their minds. Let them consider it [Islam] this way. 3 thousand years ago, the Torah heralded that we would be seeing those beautiful days. Our Prophet (saas), al-Muhammad al-Mustapha, also provided detailed information to us 1400 years ago about it. All the portents of the King Mashiach have appeared. The flow of the Euphrates stopped, the two comets, namely Halley Comet and Lulin Comet, appeared. Qa'ba was stormed and solar and lunar eclipses during the month of Ramadan occurred 15 days apart. They all came true. Yes, now let's proceed with reading of Torah passages.


People will Live in Happiness and Joy

Gladness and joy will overtake them, and sorrow and sighing will flee away. (Isaiah, 51:11)

Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing. (Isaiah, 51:3)

... they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as men rejoice when dividing the plunder. (Isaiah, 9:3)

... everlasting joy will be theirs. (Isaiah 61:7)

People will Enjoy Peace and Security

It will be inhabited... and secure. (Zechariah, 14:11)

I will heal My people and will let them enjoy abundant peace and security. (Jeremiah, 33:6)

Danger and Worry will Vanish

No lion will be there, nor will any ferocious beast get up on it; they will not be found there. (Isaiah, 35:9)

... no one will make him afraid. (Jeremiah, 30:10)

Justice will Rule the World

Justice will dwell in the desert and righteousness live in the fertile field. (Isaiah, 32:16)

Mashiach will Establish World Peace

... (Mashiach) shall speak peace unto the nations. (Zechariah, 9:10)

... All lands will serve him because of his great righteousness, and wonders will be revealed through him... (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Sanhedrin 10:1)

(In the time of Mashiach) battles and wars will cease... They will not lift a sword, nation against nation. (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Sanhedrin 10:1)

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: Mr Oktar, we have questions please here from Israel.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, please go on.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: It seems to us thatyou are the last pro- Israeli person left in all of Turkey.

TRANSLATOR:Could you please repeat your question?

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: It seems to us here in Israel thatyou are the last pro-Israeli Turkish citizen left in Turkey.

ADNAN OKTAR: No. No, never think this way. In order to accomplish it, you must conduct a public survey. Conduct it in Turkey, in Israel. You will see that Israelis love Turkey and similarly Turks like Israelis. You can only understand this by means of a public survey.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: But you know we hear many criticism from Prime Minister Erdogan.

ADNAN OKTAR: They aretransient. In the midst of political activities, in the political world, such crises, such tensions appear. What is important is the general opinion of the Turkish and the Israeli people. We need to lay stress upon this point and this can only be realized by means of a public survey.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: The Israeli viewers would like to know if you have good relations with the PM Erdogan. Because we heard that two representatives from your organization came here to Israel. It seems to me that you can play a mediator in this crisis.

ADNAN OKTAR: We are already carrying out such an activity. We are carrying out such kind of activity. I love Israelis because they are the descendant of prophets. They are the sons of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh), the Prophet Israel (pbuh), that is the Prophet Jacob (pbuh); they are the grandsons of prophets. Surely I love them. Palestinians, on the other hand, are the sons of the Prophet Ishmael (pbuh). Surely I love them. Surely I would not like any conflicts to happen between brothers. We want bliss, joy and peace to prevail and the region to enjoy a climate of feast. We want the entire region to enjoy prosperity, peace and ease, brotherhood and security. While this is utterly easy, it has become terribly complicated by the effect of satan. But in the provisions of the 3-thousand-years-old-Torah, we see the statements of King Messiah, the Mashiach relating that they will ensure this ease and beauty. We also see them in the 1400-years-old hadith of our Prophet (saas). Consequently the time is up. Also according to the Torah and the hadith of our Prophet (saas), we are in the End Times, a time close to the Day of Judgment. That is we are [at the last phases of time] close to the Day of Judgment .

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: Can you please tell us about the visit of your representatives to Israel? Can you please share with us your thoughts first of all about this visit? And did you convey some sort of message between the Israeli government and Prime Minister Erdogan?

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, we mentioned it previously. Everyone knows that I love Israelis. They are the lineage of prophets. I love Palestinians dearly. You are all my brothers; both the sons of Prophet Ishmael (pbuh) and the sons of Prophet Israel (pbuh) are my brothers. Surely I love them all. I would by no means wish for a conflict or a tension to happen. We surely make an effort for this end.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV:Did you talk with Prime Minister Erdogan about the recent situation?

ADNAN OKTAR: No, no. I did not talk to him.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: And tell me do you have a plan, a well plan to restore the peace between Turkey and Israel? Do you have a certain likewise we can do let's say build concrete steps around it?

ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah you will see that King Messiah (pbuh) will establish the peace. Within 5-10 years time, a great beauty will prevail and you will see this.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: What do you think that we should do right now in order to restore the relations between the two nations?

ADNAN OKTAR: Muslims will act in compliance with the Qur'an while Jews will act in compliance with the Torah. We are the servants of Allah. We must love each other a lot. We must positively approach one another with peace, and think for the best.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: What do you think of the Prime Minister Netanyahu regarding these latest actions?

ADNAN OKTAR: They are not important at all. They will all calm down. Everyone will be positive and beautiful. You will see this in time. They are entirely transient.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: And also you said that you have friends in the Israeli government. Eli Yishai is one of them right?

ADNAN OKTAR: I did not understand?

ADNAN OKTAR: Sure, sure, sure, sure... Let us read from the Torah for a while, then we may continue.

The Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will Possess Love and Compassion

For he will deliver the needy who cry out, the afflicted who have no one to help. (Psalm, 72:12)

He will have pity on the poor and needy, and the souls of the needy he will save. (Psalm, 72:13)

He will redeem their soul from oppression and violence, and precious will their blood be in his sight. (Psalm, 72:14)

A bruised reed shall he not break, and the dimly burning wick shall he not quench... (Isaiah, 42:3)

The Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will Epitomize Allah's title of the Salam (Peace)

... Prince of Peace. (Isaiah, 9:6)

Of the increase of... peace, there will be no end... (Isaiah, 9:7)

The Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will be Patient and Submissive to Allah

He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. (Isaiah, 53:7)

The End of Troubles during the time of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah]

The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces... (Isaiah, 25:8)

Then will the eyes of the blind be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped. Then will the lame leap like a deer, and the mute tongue shout for joy... (Isaiah, 35:5-6)

In his days ... prosperity will abound till the moon is no more. (Psalm, 72:7)

(They)... will enjoy great peace. (Psalm, 37:11)

... You have shattered the yoke that burdens them, the bar across their shoulders, the rod of their oppressor... (Isaiah, 9:4)

(The) Lord will give you the desires of your heart. (Psalm, 37:4)

They will not toil in vain... (Isaiah, 65:23)

The Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will Teach and Call People to Allah's Path

... and he will therefore (be able to) teach the people the ways of God. (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Repentance 9:2)

He shall teach... people and instruct them in the way of God. He will... repair the breaches... (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Laws of Kings 11:4)

... He (King Messiah) will then perfect the entire world, to serve God together... (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Laws of Kings 11:4)

The Message of the Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will Influence the World

He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. (Isaiah 11:4)

ADNAN OKTAR: That is fine. Now let us refer to the hadiths of our Prophet (saas) that tell us about the End Times. Now let us listen to that part, the words of our Prophet (saas).

Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will shed not one drop of blood and will not awaken the sleeper

Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah]is someone who avoids war, a man of peace. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah]will cause the moral values of the Qur'an to rule the world through love, not through war. The fact that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will bring about the rule of the moral values of the deen [the religion of Islam] through peace and love, which represents one of his main distinguishing features, is described as follows in the hadith:

People will seek refuge in the Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah]as honey bees cluster around their sovereign. He will fill the world that was once full of cruelty, with justice. His justice will be as such that he will not wake a sleeping person not even on drop of blood is shed. The earth will return to the age of happiness.

ADNAN OKTAR: You can likewise stress the name King Mashiach, King Messiah. They are both the same; Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and Mashiach (pbuh). They are both the same person.

Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah]will follow the way of the Prophet (saas). He will not wake up a sleeping person or no blood will be shed.

In the time of [King Messiah]no one will be woken up from their sleep or have a bleeding nose.

Those who swear allegiance to him [Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)] will swear allegiance between the Corner and the Maqam [near the Kaaba]. They will not waken the sleeper, and they will never shed blood.

Our Prophet (saas) tells us that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah]will put an end to strife, war and conflict by waging an intellectual campaign against all these. We are told in hadith that in the time of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), in other words King Mashiach, all weapons will fall silent and wars will come to an end, and that peace, love and justice will rule the world following the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and the Prophet Jesus (pbuh).

ADNAN OKTAR: Emphasize that he [Hazrat Mahdi] is the King Messiah from time to time. Emphasize that they are both the same person.

PRESENTER:Ok inshaAllah.

War (competents) will lay down its burden (arms and the like).

War (competents) put down their weighs [their weapons, etc.].

Enmity and hatred between people will cease… Like the cup fills with water, so will earth fill with peace... There will be religious unity. Nobody but Allah will be worshipped. War will put down its burden.

There will be no enmity left between any people. And all hostility, fighting, and envy will definitely disappear.

As indicated in the reference to the "burden of war," all forms of violence, oppression, fighting…

ADNAN OKTAR: Since I don't understand English, I don't know what you're telling. Which issue are you telling? What's the latest that you told?

PRESENTER:Ijust told the hadith.

ADNAN OKTAR: Which hadith?

PRESENTER:About the ending of wars and the hostility…

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, yes, go on. Look, explanations of our Prophet (saas) and the Torah are compatible.

PRESENTER:Later on I read the explanation of the hadith.

ADNAN OKTAR: Alright good. Go on.

PRESENTER:In total contrast to the system of the antichrist, therefore, the system of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) in other words King Mashiach will be a compassionate…

ADNAN OKTAR: Mention the names King Mashiach and the Mahdi (pbuh) together.

PRESENTER:Yes that's how I mentioned.

… well-intentioned and rational one based on human love and respect. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) in other words King Mashiach will establish justice across the world, yet "not one drop of blood will be spilled." His time will be one that reflects true peace and love.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV:You know Mr. Oktar when I hear your Islam, it sounds so different than the Islam of Mr. Erdogan.

ADNAN OKTAR: Erdogan, Prime Minister Erdogan is compassionate. Trust the guarantee I'm giving. I mean he wouldn't desire war. He's not the kind of person to put on a scene, to start war. He's a man of peace. Don't pay attention to the those statements. I can give you guarantee on behalf of Mr. Erdogan. The will neither be war, nor mayhem, or any other calamity. There surely is some sorrow and tension due to this event. But this wouldn't turn into something in terms of violence or war. He is also a compassionate, merciful, God fearing person who loves people, supports peace and democracy. You can count on my word for this.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: What do we need to do regarding to Mavi Marmara and the Palmer report in the UN?

ADNAN OKTAR: What needs to be done here is to receive the general opinion of Israeli people and whatever opinion they have, that is what it is. Nothing else other than that can be considered. Because apology can neither be imposed nor be insisted on. Apology can only be admissible when it is heartfelt. Israeli public should apologize if they feel like it. But theyshouldn't if they don't feel like it. That would be the right thing.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV:And about the Palestinian application at the United Nations?

ADNAN OKTAR: They will all be brothers. There is no such thing. One side is the sons of the Prophet Ishmael (pbuh), the other side is the sons of the Prophet Jacob (pbuh), in other words Prophet Israel (pbuh). There can always be a fight between the sons but this will result in peace. Because we are in the era of King Messiah, the Mahdi (pbuh). You will see what I am saying is true. They will be embracing each other and become brothers, security measures will be removed too, the region will be in a state of splendid wealth, beauty and peace. Israeli youngsters and Palestinian youngsters will have fun together. These are purely artificial problems. Problems arising under the inculcation of satan. All these [problems] will be eliminated. Attentively watch how the history proceeds; you will see that what I am telling is the truth.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV:But when will it happen? You sound very optimistic.

ADNAN OKTAR: This is already happening now; it [the process] is going on. All the portents that were revealed in the Torah have already been come true. All the portents that our Prophet (saas) foretold have realized. And, currently the events have been proceeding in this way. Everyone looking with an attentive eye would see this. One must not attach importance to these transient conflicts or tension.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: Tell me, last question, sir if could you tell me when are you coming to visit us, here in Israel?

ADNAN OKTAR: I earnestly wish for that. I love you very much. I would like to hold the cheeks of those little Israeli kids, caress them. I would like to embrace you people. I would like to embrace Palestinian youngsters. I love all of you. I send my greetings and respect to all of you. I would like to send my most profound love and affection to all Muslims, Christians and Jews. We will meet soon and embrace one another. Everyone will be free, let your heart be at ease. All these tensions and these fights will come to an end.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: Did Eli Yishai invite you here, to Israel?

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, there is an official invitation. But as you may know, due to my current state here, it is quite unlikely. But I would very much like to come. I would like to give my greetings and love to Mr. Shlomo Amar the Chief Rabbi in Israel, and I would like to give my greetings and love to Mr. Eliyahu too. I send my greetings to all my Jewish, Christian and Muslim brothers.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: Tell me you know that there was a criticism about Palestinians not willing to accept Israel as a Jewish State. What do you think about this concept?

ADNAN OKTAR:Would such mindset be plausible? Those lands are the lands of your grandfathers, all the prophets. They belong to those forefathers of yours who were the prophets. Their graves are in those lands. Everything you possess are there. You will surely live there. In the Qur'an too Allah designated those lands to you. It is your homeland. You will live there in quite ease and beauty. It [not acknowledging you as a country there] is out of question. Allah settled you there. You will surely be there; as free people and at utter ease. You will be entitled to live freely everywhere in the world. The tension over you will be completely defused. Because we are in the time of King Messiah (pbuh). The sufferings of Palestinians will also come to an end. The tension over our Arab brothers and all the Islamic world will be defused and an age of peace and ease will come. You will see this.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV:You know you have a very unique voice coming from Islamic world. The public opinion in Turkey and in Egypt and even in Jordan, it's all against Israel right now.

ADNAN OKTAR: Allah does not let the world without a protector. That is, it will be in the hands of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). Thus you will be in security, so do the Muslims and Christians. That is, the world is not proceeding towards the unknown. Allah holds it under His sway. By means of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), Allah will put it in order. Let your heart be at ease about this issue. What all our prophets told us came true. The entire words of Prophet Moses (pbuh) also came true. That is, we must trust in Allah.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: Mr. Oktar, thank you very much.I wish you well. And I hope that you will come to Israel pretty soon. You know, amen, we hope that peace will come upon us soon.

ADNAN OKTAR: I love you all. I dearly embrace all the Muslims, Christians and Jews. Good bye and may Allah's peace be upon you.

ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: Thank you very much.

ADNAN OKTAR: I thank you too.

2011-09-20 12:44:45

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