The Secret Beyond Matter

Live Conversations of Mr. Adnan Oktar with Creationist Scientists from America and Italy, 20 May 2017

Bülent Sezgin: We are starting our broadcast, insha’Allah. We have with us esteemed guests from Italy and the USA. I would like to begin by introducing our Italian guests. Mr. Fabrizio Fratus. An Italian sociologist. He has doctorates in scientific creationism and in new scientific discoveries on the Origins of Life and Mankind. He is the founder of the anti-evolution committee in Italy. He wrote five books on this subject. Mr. Fratus is currently working on issues such as moral degeneration in society, degradation of the family unit, and the increasing loneliness.

Dr. Carlo Alberto Cossano. He is the manager of the project named Health Informatics. He is an expert in clinical pathology analysis laboratory and pathological anatomy laboratory information systems. Dr. Cossano carries out studies and owns internet sites regarding anti-evolution and pro-creationism. In addition, he hosts an anti-evolutionist radio show.

Our other guest from Italy is Psychiatrist Dr. Paolo Cioni. Having a long academic and hospital experience, Dr. Cioni has carried out many studies in the field of psychiatry with many prominent Italian editors. His works are also published in French and English. His latest thesis is titled “Amidst Paranoia, Leadership and Failure”. In this study, Dr. Paolo explored the subject of paranoia on a sociological and political level. 

And here are our guests from the United States;

Dr. Fazale Rana, an expert on Biochemistry. He is the vice president of Reasons to Believe organization. Having focused his studies on genetic and synthetic biology, Dr. Rana is the author of two books on the scientific proofs of creation and has many articles published in peer-viewed scientific journals. Dr. Rana completed his doctoral thesis on the structure of the cell membrane in the Universities of Virginia and Georgia. He also gave speeches in more than five hundred universities, conferences and churches in various parts of the world.

Adnan Oktar: Wonderful.

Bülent Sezgin: Our other guest from the United States is Dr. Anjeanette Roberts, who is a research scholar in Reasons to Believe. She carried out researches in Yale University on viral pathogenesis and vaccination. For her contribution to research in infectious diseases in 2005, she received the NIH Merit Award. She served as an assistant professor for the University of Virginia’s microbiology faculty and directed the Biomedical Sciences Graduate Program in Microbiology, Immunology, and Infectious Diseases.

Our other guest from the United States is the Middle East Expert, Jeff Gardner. He is the founder and executive of the Picture Christians Project. In 2007, he co-founded and became the CEO of the International Catholic Media, a global humanitarian aid, media and communication company. He also launched the Picture Christians Project, which aims to address and alleviate the problems of Christians worldwide. A Middle East Expert, Jeff Gradner travels to countries such as Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Egypt, meeting with Christians, refugees and terror victims and voice their problems to the world.

Among our guests are also architect Gencay Özoğul from Switzerland, who grew up reading your books, and Claudio Scione from Italy, who has embraced Islam by means of your books.

Adnan Oktar: Masha’Allah. Amazing. Welcome, you have honored us. It is a pleasure to see you here. We are very happy.

Darwinism, materialism are the greatest scourges devastating the world but this has not attracted the attention of people. Like an insidious virus causing cancer, it has implanted itself in the bodies of 99 percent of the  people around the world and it continues to devastate humanity. We see that the same virus underlies communism and fascism. Yet its most dangerous aspect is its innocent appearance; under the guise of a risk-free science, pretending to be a requisite of being scientific, it has penetrated into the fabric of people. By God’s Will, we, as Christians and Muslims, will eliminate this scourge from the Earth together by science, love and wisdom.

Adnan Oktar: Yes, let’s begin with hearing your views.

Fabrizio Fratus: I am very happy to be back here again. Tomorrow in the Conference, I will demonstrate that Darwin’s theory and materialism only serve to deny God’s existence.

Adnan Oktar: Yes you are very happy about the conference about Darwinism. Of course we also rejoice about it because every scientific blow to Darwinism is a matter of joy for believers.

Fabrizio Fratus: I am very happy that there will be other Christians with me.

Adnan Oktar: You are faithful people. We love faithful people. We very much love the lovers of God.

Fabrizio Fratus: God is our Saviour.

Adnan Oktar: Masha’Allah. Please, go ahead.

Dr. Fazale Rana: It’s an honor to be a part of a collaboration where we can show  people the scientific case for God’s existence and the scientific challenges, Darwinism. Because in my view, Darwinism really fuels atheism as a world view.  And in fact when I was a student in collage  it kept me from belief in God. And I was a graduate student studying biochemical systems in detail.  But I became convinced that there has to be a Creator. So to me  there is nothing more important I can do to use  my experience, to try to help people see  the beauty and the elegance of biochemical systems and how they point to a Creator.

Adnan Oktar: Very good. Please. Let’s also hear your views.  

Claudio Scione: I am very pleased to come here and to be part of such an amazing project that brings so many people together and to unify all thoughts in common goal of bringing people to God. He created all people and they should pay Him glory  and honor.

Adnan Oktar: We will be together in Paradise together, insha’Allah.

Adnan Oktar: Please, go ahead.

Dr. Anjeanette Roberts: Thank you I am very glad to be  here again. I loved science since I was a small child. And I became a Christian at the age of 12.  And so I’ve never seen a conflict between the truth that we can pursue  about the natural world  through science and the truth the Bible reveals to us in the person of Jesus about our purpose. And God’s creation of humanity in His image with male and female. And I think that the greatest challenge of materialism and the Darwinian narrative is that its an ideology that rubs us off that identity. It rubs us off that purpose that God has given us as those creatures in His image to store this Creation. And I think that it’s a privilege to be a part of this conference where we can take down the ideology of materialism  and we can give them a hope that can be found in knowing God that wants to be known and He revealed Himself both in creation and in the Scriptures. So thank you.

Adnan Oktar: How wonderful, masha’Allah. Please, go ahead.

Dr.Carlo Alberto Cossano: I am happy to be in here with you. And I have simple message that life is information. I work in the information, informatics. So life is full of information, full of cause. Cause and information comes only from a mind from an intelligence. So my goal, my hope is to help, to learn and to know that life comes from an intelligence. So the best intelligence that could ever created life can be only God. So in the next conference, I hope to pass this message and make it as clear as possible. So that’s all. Thank you again for your hospitality.

Adnan Oktar: Very nice.

Dr. Paolo Cioni: I am very happy to be here in such eminent colleagues and to exchange views on such an important subject. As a psychiatrist and a neuroscientist, I haven’t been convinced during my career by materialist mainstream theories. And I thought there was something beyond physicalism. And I was convinced that conscious was something more than pure brain activity and there could be something superior and we could get together in a supreme world. And to communicate more that we could think.

Adnan Oktar: That is so fine; this is a very vital issue. It may be the subject that would make the most impact.

Jeff Gardner: It’s a pleasure to see you again. You know for the last three years, I have travelled frequently to Middle east to regions in Iraq in Syria and the reason that I have gone is to pull out the document stories about human suffering driven by violence and conflict. That was a great relief to me to be in the middle of the story which is driven, whose aspirations are driven by the possibility of cooperation and love and what can come out of that.

Adnan Oktar: Both your religion and ours preach the Oneness of God and His Sublimity. That we unite as brothers in our love for God is the most supreme form of brotherhood. That is why we love you very much.

Adnan Oktar: Together we will eliminate anti-christ from the Earth with science, love and wisdom.

Adnan Oktar: Your presence here annoys the satan very much now.

Jeff Gardner: That’s what we hope so.

Adnan Oktar: Satan is weeping right now.

Adnan Oktar: Thank you very much for coming here. May God grant you a long and healthy life to you. May God make us live in Paradise all together with faith. May God make us see Jesus Messiah in this world. May God make us the followers of Jesus Messiah. May God make us succeed in this endeavour with love, beauty and wisdom.

Adnan Oktar: I believe that we will see Jesus.

Adnan Oktar: And all of us, the entire world will be His followers.

Adnan Oktar: This is the glad tidings of the Quran.

Adnan Oktar: In the Qur'an God says that the entire humanity will have faith in Jesus when he returns.

Adnan Oktar: God says that He will make everyone believe in Jesus.

Adnan Oktar: And until the Day of Judgment, He will make those who love Jesus be superior to those who do not have faith in God.

Adnan Oktar: In the Qur'an God states that Jesus Messiah is a portent for the Day of Judgment.

Adnan Oktar: Our Prophet (saas) said that Jesus Messiah would be brought to Earth on the wings of angels, on the two sides of angels’ wings.

Adnan Oktar: It is stated that when Jesus Messiah comes, not everyone would recognize him. Only his genuine followers would know him by the holy light of faith when he first comes. And then the entire world will recognize him.

Adnan Oktar: We believe that the time has come.

Adnan Oktar: Thank you very much. I pay my respects to you. Tomorrow we will meet again.  

Bülent Sezgin: We thank our esteemed guests for their participation in our program. 
















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