The Secret Beyond Matter

Mr. Adnan Oktar's live conversation with the Israeli delegation (January 19, 2010)



















The attendants from Israeli delegation are:
1)Mr. Ayoob Kara - The Deputy Minister of the Development of the Negev and Galilee (Deputy Minister Kara is the closest non Jewish person to the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and has a vision to develop a strong and warm relationship between Jews, Muslims, Christians and all other religions.)
2) Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander - From Sanhedrin the Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem, Jerusalem Court for Issues of Bnei Noah
3) Rabbi Ben Abrahamson – Historian & consultant to the Rabbinical Court of Jerusalem, Sanhedrin relating Islam religion
4) Mr. Efraim Lahav - Senior Strategic Advisor Deputy Minister, Office of The Prime Minister; Chairman of Academic Union of Israeli Civil Workers; General Director Academic Association in Israel
5) Sheikh Ameen Kablan - Deputy of the Druze community
6) Mr. Hurrian Dimitri - Orthodox Christian leader
7) Mr. Ataf Krinawi - Bedouin leader
8) Mr. Japhet Tsedaka - Head of the Samaritan community



















OKTAR BABUNA: Good evening dear viewers.   Welcome to another episode of the program Together with Mr. Adnan Oktar.   We have very important guests here today.   The leaders of every religion in Israel and the renowned and prominent politicians from Israel are our guests tonight. You can watch our program from Mavi Karadeniz and Kocaeli Television. And you can also watch our program live from . First of all I would like to say welcome to my teacher and then I will introduce our guests to you. Welcome.

ADNAN OKTAR: Thank you.

OKTAR BABUNA:   I would like to introduce our guests. First off, I will start with Mr.Ayoob Kara. Mr. Ayoob Kara is the Deputy Minister of Development of the Israeli government. He is the The Deputy Minister of the Development of the Negev and Galilee. Mr. Kara is the only non-Jewish person in the Israeli cabinet. Deputy Minister Kara is also the closest non Jewish person to the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and has a vision to develop a strong and warm relationship between Jews, Muslims, Christians and all other religions.   The person sitting right beside me is the Bedouin leader Mr.Ataf Krinawi. He is the leader of the Bedouins in Israel. Again right next to me we have Rabbi Hollander who you already know from before. He is the president of the Sanhedrin B’nei-Noah Court. And the last person sitting on my left side is the Orthodox Christian Leader Mr. Mussa Hadi- Hurian Dimitri. I welcome you all.  

GUESTS: Thank you.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, and I welcome you all too. You have been an honor, you have graced us with your presence insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Now let’s make an entrance speech. There is an understanding of brotherhood in the Islamic way of thinking, Christian way of thinking and Jewish way of thinking. The aim for the coming of our guests is to reinforce this way of thinking, to put an end to the anarchy and terror in the world, accentuate the art, science, love, affection, compassion, friendship and to cause these values to come forward.

ADNAN OKTAR: Atheists, those who do not believe in Allah, are in full collaboration and unity in the world. On the other hand, the majority of believers do not support each other, which is a quite erroneous attitude. It is very important for those who love Allah to support one another and be brothers with each other.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course we’re not going to be enemies with the unbelievers. They’re also the servants of Allah. Sure, we also strive for them to be better but in democratic ways and with love and compassion, not with aggression and violence and also by respecting freedom of ideas and respecting freedom of thought. Each religion believes in its’ own rightfulness, which is quite normal. I mean when you say “People of the Book”, Christians and Jews come in mind. And besides, there are Muslims. Muslims surely think they’re on the right path, otherwise they would not be Muslims. But a Christian also believes he’s on the right path and that he’s going to go to heaven, or else he can’t be a Christian. And again a Jew believes he is on the right path and he will go to heaven, or else he can’t be a Jew. Then we understand all religions should respect each other, be compassionate towards each other, support and protect each other as the servants of Allah. It’s so reasonable and normal for each religion to consider itself as the true religion as long as there are no fights, uproar, wars, and suppression on the freedom of thought. In case these do not come about, everything is fine. At any rate Allah says in a verse “I made you into peoples”. Hence the Qur’an tells us this is reasonable and normal.

Atheism is the greatest problem in the world. I mean disbelief in Allah is the greatest problem. Darwinism and materialism is the biggest issue. Members of three religions should unite to struggle together against Darwinism, materialism and atheism on a scientific and rational basis and in a brotherly manner.

ADNAN OKTAR: Because Jews are being oppressed in many places. Peple have tried to oppress them at the time of Hitler, they tried to oppress them in Spain, and they tried to oppress them in their own lands. In the same way, people have tried to oppress Christians, Protestants, Orthodoxs in many places and they were made to suffer. The oppression towards Muslims is already well known worldwide. Look, so there’s a satanic trick being played here. We’re going to abolish this game. We do not allow such a thing, those who love Allah will support each other, help each other and everyone will freely live their religion. And we will be respectful to every religion.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course Jews will be ruled by the Jews. Needless to say Christians will be ruled by Christians and Muslims will be ruled by Muslims. This is what the Qur’an points out. In other words, the meaning of “do not take the Jews and Christians as patrons” is not to take them as rulers, which is normal. Of course everyone asks for those who share their beliefs to rule them. This is the meaning of it. Or else, as it’s written on the Books telling the life of Prophet Muhammad (saas), Christians and Jews were shown mercy, love, attention, they were protected and supported at the times of our Prophet (saas), everybody knows this. Everybody knows how comfortable and peaceful the Christians and the Jews were in Fatih the Conquerer’s era. Besides, everyone knows how we sent for the Jews from Spain to here and how we provided them with opportunities and made them live in peace. Our ancestors implemented this beauty and this understanding of respect very well, we will be sustaining to implement this beauty.

ADNAN OKTAR: Thus, the ideology which thinks of bloodshed, violence, and making the believers destroy each other by pretending not to understand these issues, would be serving the system of antichrist and Satan. And thus, we would neither let Christians be atheists, materialists, Darwinists, nor the Jews to be atheists and materialists or our Muslim brothers to be atheists and materialists. Insha’Allah we will struggle decisively against disbelief in the world. It’s well-known in Israel that we don’t allow atheism in anyway and that we’re in an intensive effort about this issue. We are in a great effort to not let Darwinists and atheists to influence devout Christians. But of course it’s very important for everyone to be free in their own religions. I consider the efforts to make Israel and Turkey be unfriendly towards each other, futile. Israel is a country of the People of the Book, they’re the People of the Book. We never accept to have a tension or struggle with them. Just as we lived amicably at the times of our ancestors, we will live amicably now. This is the case with our Christian brothers also. They are also servants of Allah. They are also a community. We’ll approach them with compassion too.

ADNAN OKTAR: I mean we don’t become enemies with either Jews or the Christians because of a novel or a movie, or a theatre, and we don’t ever let that happen.















First of all, I’m very happy to listen to Mr. Harun Yahya here in Turkey. First of all, I’m very happy when I listen here in Turkish Mr. Harun Yahya. I think [that being in] Israel make us understand more and more that there are religious leaders, here in the Middle East, in the world who understand what we need. And what we need is one thing, it is that people much like Mr. Yahya be leaders who understand human rights, people that love the human, the religions. No case to go to conflict, no case to hit each other, it’s no case. There’s enough place in the world that people could be together. So we are very glad that we have opportunity to be here, to speak something about what we feel. We are non-Jewish. But we’re feeling in Israel very democratic. Israel loves every person, every guy that wants to live in peace with Israel. And I am very happy that the rabbis, they come here, the Christians, the Muslims, the Bedouins, and the Druzi, we are together to say to Mr. Yahya thank you that we are given the opportunity to be near you in this evening. Thank you that you are thinking straight, thinking, in a way that give all the religious people to be together in this area.


ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN LEADER FATHER HURRIAN DIMITRI: First of all, I’m very interested to meet you. And when I saw your face, I remembered what’s written in the Quran, and said, “your face is the sunshining”, like you will be the first man who pushes up the process and peace in our area and in our society. We came here to say a few words that we live in our country Israel with good relationship between all the faiths and all the religions and all, between the Christians, the Muslims, and the Jewish and the Druze and the all. And this is a good aim to build all the society with love. Because God is love, like all the religion believe that God is love, so we came here to say all to the world and to Turkish also, that we only believe in peace and believe in to make peace. And we are sitting here around your table here, because you are a very famous human and you have very very very interest in many people that you meet. And you can also help our country to build a new relationship between Iran and the Israel, and the Syria and the Israel. Because I will tell you, a few verses from the Bible, God when say “if we don't love people we can see, how can we love God, whom we cannot see?”; but if the human who you see, you cannot love, so how it would be this equal. That means, if you will believe, that this is a good way to push, your, every efforts from you to get the relationship between Turkey and the Israel and the Syria and the Iran, it will be very happy to all the Christians and all the citizens in the area. And also, you are a very famous man, and this makes us to believe that you have good force, good force, real force to make peace with the other.


RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: (Translating Sheikh Ataf Krinawi’s speech)The sheikh said he is very happy to be here. He did not understand every word, but he understood the spirit coming from your heart to his heart and he understands the harmony that you talk about and that you think. He thanks also Mr. Kara for inviting him to be here and it is a happy experience to feel your love and he thinks that people like you if there are other people like you, people we want to have as leaders. You are an honor to Islam and he would very much appreciate and wants to thank you for appearing here and for inviting him here and he wants to express his heartfelt thanks.


RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: (Translating Sheikh Ameen Kablan’s speech)Sheikh said he would like to reciprocate, you have invited us here for three days, he would like you to come to Israel and he will meet you his tribe and he will make you the most honored guest for at least three days like you invited him. He feels that this would be a great experience if you can come and you will be a guest not only of Sheikh but you will be guest of Israel. And Mr. Kara will guarantee that you will get a proper reception as fitting for the greatness of your feelings and heart and thinking.

AYOOB KARA: (Speaking Hebrew.)

RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: (Translating Ayyoub Kara’s speech) Mr. Kara said that you should be the leader of Islam, you should lead the whole Islam with your thoughts and with your heart, with your understanding. This will bring peace in the world.

ADNAN OKTAR: I’m the most humble, the most ordinary of Muslims. I’m just a servant of Allah insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Jazak Allah Khairan. May Allah be pleased with you.

ADNAN OKTAR: Mr. Kara would like to say something, let’s hear what he has to say.

AYOOB KARA: I want to say that I’m trying all the time for three, four or five months to make things better between Syria and Israel. I do all within my power to make the relation between two countries better. I have succeeded to open the border, this is the first time that 600 Israeli are visiting Syria. I hope that Mr. Yahya comes with me to make the border between Syria and Israel free.

ADNAN OKTAR: ... Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah we will open all border gates by the will of Allah. Insha’Allah.

RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: I would like to say something. I was prepared to say something entirely differently. But I will say one thing from the Torah and I will then respond to you. I’m happy to be here again in Turkey. Turkey is a place with the mountains of Ararat where Noah settled at the end of the flood. And Turkey is the place where God gave the commandments to Noah, the seven commandments with further basis of communality of the civilized people. This is from Torah.

Now I want to respond to you, I know I don’t have much time, so instead of talking for three hours I will try to do it in two minutes. You talked about the fighting against atheism, against Darwinism, against materialism; it is quite obvious that Mr. Huntington who wrote his book about Clash of Civilizations did not have sufficient knowledge of religion. And it is quite clear that most of the clashes between the Israelis and the Arabs, between many other countries, the clashes are because of misunderstanding of the place of religion in the life of people. When I was here last time by chance, I picked up at the university, I had two minutes to spend at the university, I picked up “God is Back”, an article “God is Back”, think again “God is Back” [God is beyond this].

The relationship between human being and God, and between the nations which are collections of the human beings and God, are much more important than secular people can even imagine. They do not understand what drives religious people. The real clash is the clash that you described. It is the clash between people who believe and people who don’t believe. People who don’t believe: there are two classes of people who don’t believe basically, the people who are not capable because they are missing something like people who can’t hear music. They’re deaf. These people cannot believe. There are other people who have been influenced by education, by Darwinism, you heard Mr. [Rabbi Moshe] Loebel was here the last time we were here. He comes from Romania; he was brought up under the communist regime. And there they had a religion, which was called Darwinism. And this came instead of religion and to say “There is no God, there is only nature”. What do we have to do? After we finish the first stage of bringing the Messiah, is bringing peace between the peoples of religion, is we have to educate people who haven’t got it yet. And I hope that this will all happen very soon and between the religions as we see here, we are all together and the people here at least will understand that we are all together in this world, we want to avoid the clash between East and West and we want to bring the situation to where the only issue is to bring people by intellectual means and by the use of our spirit to understand God in the world and when they do that they will accept making peace in the whole world and all people together, we’ll all worship God together, each one in his own way, the Druze in their way, the Jews in their way and Islam in other way and Christians in other way. All ways are accepted to God. As we mentioned at the beginning that the Jews think they have the only right way, that is not true. That is a mistake. Jews have a way which is particular to Jews and the Druze have way which is particular to Druze. And both are very acceptable to the Almighty. We say that there are seventy nations, each nation has its direct relationship with the Almighty. And everyone, each individual and every nation should try to develop his own personality, his own soul, so that he can develop his relationship with the Almighty and that will guarantee peace among nations insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. They consider Muslims as the B’nai Noah [People of Noah], as rightful. I mean the Jews consider Muslims a true religion. They consider as B’nai Noah, as true, yes.

RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: Yes, definitely. We learnt it together. As Muslims, they don’t have to change one bit, this is perfectly all right with us and with the Almighty.

AYOOB KARA: Could I say another thing?

ADNAN OKTAR: We’re having a break? Okay.

We’ll have a break and be back right after. Insha’Allah we will talk in more detail.

OKTAR BABUNA: Yes dear viewers, we’re back together after a short break. Again we have very important guests. I’m introducing our guests starting from Mr. Oktar’s left. Mr. Japhet Tsedaka, is with us, the Head of Samaritan Community. Ayoob Kara, the Deputy Minister of the Development of the Negev and Galilee has his last words to say, and as I turn my leftside Sheikh Ameen Kablan, Deputy of Druze community is with us. Here with me, as we have met before, Rabbi Benjamin Abrahamson, historian and consultant to Sanhedrin, the Rabbinical Court of Jerusalem, related to Islam religion.

ADNAN OKTAR: Oktar [Babuna], what we’re trying to tell in summary is that, we will not fall into the satanic trap that aims to make sincere believers at odds with each other. We’ll never let that happen. Each religious community, each belief will practice its ideas freely and live sincerely. Jews will worship in synagogues, Christians in churches and Muslims in mosques. All those efforts to make them at odds with each other and create an uneasy environment for each is satanic. Thus, especially in the last century, believers of each religion suffered a lot. Both Jews and Christians, and Muslims suffered too much. By Allah’s leave, all religions will be utterly free in the warm, fertile embrace of Turkish Islamic Union. Each government will be independent in itself and each government will hold and practice its own belief. People will be holding and practicing their beliefs. There will be an environment of full freedom. Art, science, beauties will develop so much, which develop in an environment of freedom. Neither art nor science could develop since there was not an environment of freedom. In this environment, science would also develop to the extend that couldn’t be comprehended by human mind and thus a perfect world would be established. We’re already in the end times of the world. We are in the times of Hazrat Massiah (pbuh), in the time of the emergence of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). Both the Messiah (pbuh) who was mentioned in the Torah and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), who is mentioned by Muslims, are the same person. But a fraternity of the world, a unity in the world is an inevitable truth. Because these are the facts mentioned in Torah, Bible and the Qur’an. Of course, according to our belief, we’re waiting for the Jesus the Messiah (pbuh) too. We’re waiting for his coming insha’Allah. Also at that time there will be an environment of absolute beauty, ease and peace insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Mr. Kara had something to say, let’s listen to him inshaAllah.

AYOOB KARA: To solve the conflict people must understand that everyone that believe in God and give himself to God is Muslim. We think that the Jews, the Druze, the Christians, the Shomronim (Samaritans), the Bedouins, all of them are Muslims. Because “what is Muslim?” “Someone who gives himself to God.” That means all of us, we have one God. That means the way that Mr. Yahya says, is the way for all of us. It is the same thing, it is not different. So to stop conflict, this fundamentalism in Islam does not go like what the Qur’an says. Let us go to the same way with Mr. Yahya, because I think this is why they need the Mahdi, this is why they need Islam. This is the way to make peace. So from Mr. Yahya we want you to continue this way, this is the reality of Islam, this is the right Islam. The way that you go in it and we want you to help us to bring back Gilad Shalit to his family. Thank you very much.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, Gilad Shalit is surely our son. He is also our brother. We, of course, in no way wish him to remain apart from his parents, to live in such tension. This is a part of the plot hatched against Muslims, Jews and Christians in the End Times. There have been unnecessary wars, unjustifiable struggles. We wish Palestine and Israel to embrace one another. We want everyone in the prisons to be released, everyone to live in peace, abundance, blessings and brotherhood. Neither in Israeli prisons nor in the Palestinian prisons should anyone remain. Nor private Gilad Shalit should be detained in such tension and unease. We do not want these. Indeed, by Allah’s leave we will entirely demolish the walls in Israel. Israel will be utterly free. Palestinians will be utterly free. There are vast lands, extensive lands... Even they can come and settle in Jordan, settle in Turkey. They are our souls. That is, they have no problem with settling. We very well know how to host them as our guests, our friends, brothers. Because once upon a time we brought our Jewish brothers all the way from Spain and hosted them here. They are our, “Lailahaill’Allah [There is no god but Allah] brothers. Muslims, on the other hand, are our “Lailahaill’Allah Muhammadan Rasulullah [There is no god but Allah: Muhammad is the Prophet of God]” brothers. Consequently insha’Allah Gilad Shalit will also be free. Our other Palestinian brothers will also be free. An environment of peace will be secured. There is very little time left. The shadow of Hazrat Messiah (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), their souls have covered all the world around. So they should be at ease. Insha’Allah they will very soon see that this good news of mine is right.

AYOOB KARA: Lailahaill’Allah Muhammadan Rasulullah [There is no god but Allah: Muhammad is the Prophet of God].

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah.

OKTAR BABUNA: Dear viewers, following Ayoob Kara, our new guest is Efraim Lahav. Efrahim Lahav is Senior Strategic Advisor of the Deputy Minister, Office of The Prime Minister, and the General Director of Academic Association in Israel. Welcome Mr. Lahav.


ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: But of course while the inmates in prisons are released, we surely do not want them to be released as terrorists. This is not what we mean. This is very important. I mean, this does not mean that we should let them remain as terrorists, so that they can carry out terrorist activities, murder people, bomb them, massacre people. We will, insha’Allah, ensure that all our brothers who are called to be radically devout to get into the understanding of compassion of the Messiah and Mahdism. Not a drop of blood will be shed. They will not make even a nose to bleed and not wake a sleeper up. They will undergo the good manners of the Qur’an, the good manners of the Mahdism insha’Allah. They will get out of the prisons as people of love, people of compassion insha’Allah. They will be released as bodyguards of affection. Consequently those who engaged in the terrorist activities in the past will from now on spread love and compassion to their surroundings. They will embrace their brothers with compassion. So they will strive for the development and cultivation of the region and strive to make it like the Heaven insha’Allah.

EFRAHIM LAHAV: Yes. Well, good evening. I think that we have a very special and good TV show tonight. And I hope that the most of the Turkish citizens will watch this program. As you know Mr. Oktar, we take our staying here in really serious way. As you see our delegation is so balanced and completely delegated. We have representatives for any kind of religions in Israel adopt similar to the same religions in the world. Well, we here in Israel, we always see that they have a positive energy, a positive lead, a positive activity, we have joined to this activity. Therefore it was very easy to contact you, to contact all of your staff. Since a couple of hours ago we made a very good contact, we were trying to understand exactly what you do., how you are trying to influence people. We feel that if we continue this way the world will see different than we see now. It means that in Israel we are also looking to find leaders that lead the world in peace and in a very positive way. And therefore we are coming to open and start our dialogue between both countries.

EFRAHIM LAHAV: Let me say another few sentences. As we know it is good to talk and it is good to give speeches. But our testing and our behavior is to adopt them to what we do. And what you do Mr. Oktar is really a good example to exchange delegation, to exchange culture, to open the dialogue, this is a kind of operative action. And if we take this kind of standard, and make it in another opportunity, well I really feel that our hopes will come true soon.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah, Insha’Allah this century will be the century of the lovers of Allah. Lovers of Allah will give thanks to Allah with joy insha’Allah. In Jerusalem, we Muslims, Christians, Jews will come together insha’Allah and embrace one another insha’Allah. Muslims will give thanks to Allah in mosques, Christians in churches and Jews in their synagogues. We will make sacrifices to Allah, roast meat together and its beautiful odor will spread all over. We will make those places like Heaven insha’Allah. By Allah’s leave we will rebuild Prophet Solomon’s (pbuh) Masjid. We will also open such beautiful places of worship next to the graves of other prophets who lived in the past, so that Jews, Muslims and Christians can worship. We will render the world in its most beautiful state insha’Allah. This is a fact related to happen in the End Times. This is also stated in the Torah and the Qur’an also indicates this fact. In the hadith also our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) noted this subject.

ADNAN OKTAR: The gentleman may speak. Please.

SHEIKH AMEEN KABLAN: (Speaking Hebrew.)

RABBI BEN ABRAHAMSON: (Translating Sheikh Ameen Kablan’s speech)In the name of the entire Druze community he wants to thank you and send you blessings, to wish you a very long life, that you should be given all things that are good. The Druze community is a community full of faith, of believers.

EFRAIM LAHAV: (Translating Sheikh Ameen Kablan’s speech)Help everyone as your brother, as your son, as your family.

ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah. Allah mentions in the Qur’an that He has made us into peoples. He says in the Qur’an: “If your Lord had wanted to, He would have made mankind into one community.” Everyone wants to make the best in his own religion. Of course all the faiths regard themselves as the true religion, that is perfectly natural and as I have already said before anything other than that is not possible. However to respect every religion in the perfect meaning of the word, to respect every state and every nation, to protect and to watch over them is a principle demanded from us by the Qur’an. Our ancestors applied that principle perfectly. Above all the Messenger of Allah (May Allah bless him and grant him peace) had applied this and also in the Ottoman period, the Ottoman sultans have lived by this moral virtue and that continued until today. During the time of the Turkish-Islamic Union, Insha’Allah all the Turkish world, all the Islamic world will unite, they will widespread brotherhood, love, peace, art and good morals all over the world. And it will also be possible for our Jewish and Christian brothers to live in an environment resembling to Paradise. Insha’Allah.

SHEIK AMEEN KABLAN: (Speaking Hebrew.)

EFRAIM LAHAV: Sheikh Ameen wants to bless you, to tell you thank you for all your guests here. And to say to you that bless from God to long your life, to help people for all the next years, until the sky is the limit.

SHEIKH AMEEN KABLAN: (Speaking Hebrew.)

EFRAIM LAHAV: He said to say thank you for the Deputy Minister Ayoob Kara that he brings this delegation to meet you and hope to come with peace and to turn back to Israel with peace.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah.


ADNAN OKTAR: When that brotherhood and peace prevail the world, we will Insha’Allah be altogether in Israel, Jerusalem and every other holy places. We will be all together and enjoy each others’ company again insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: There is no reason for that not to happen. This has been stalled through artificial reasons, with the Darwinist, materialistic thought. Darwinism is now wrecked and ruined. The door of love is now wide open. The door of peace and brotherhood is now wide open.

SHEIKH AMEEN KABLAN: (Speaking Hebrew.)

EFRAIM LAHAV: Sheikh Kablan said the Druze in Israel have temple and family in Syria and he says to you if you can help them, the Druze community, to take the situation and to help, it would be good for them.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Every religion, every faith, every denomination should be free. That is to say, to suppress a faith through coercion is an abnormal behavior. That is valid for every other faith, that is to say even for communism. That is also valid for freemasonry, I mean it is not acceptable to suppress them through coercion either. Every idea, every opinion and every faith should be free however it is highly important that nobody harms the other.

ADNAN OKTAR: There is no compulsion in religion, that’s an explicit provision of the Qur’an. Christian-Muslim conflict is just as much illogical as the conflict in between the Sunni and Shia, just as much as we reproach the ones that fight with each other for this reason. The conflict between Jews and Muslims is also illogical. This will totally be eradicated from the face of the world during the Messianic Era, during the times of the Mahdi Insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: You go ahead please.

RABBI BEN ABRAHAMSON: In being here this evening it reminded me, since I all the time talk about history, it reminded me 2000 years ago the Jewish kings expanded the Temple Mount, Haram Al-Sharif and basically there were 3 courts that were the courts for the Priests, the courts for the Israelites and the courts for the nations. And the courts for the nations they made very large, they intended that there should be many many believers with the yireh shomaym, the Fearers of God should come from Arabia, from Parthia, from Persia, from Syria, there should be Bedouins, all of them should come together with the Jews during the Pentecost holiday and they should all pray together and we in Hebrew call the Hug or in Arabic it’s called the Hajj, they would all pray together and worship together in beauty and holiness, and in some small way this evening, we are seeing the children of the children of these people who worshipped together, sitting together at this table, together with unity and speaking words of God and promoting the devout faith in each other. This is what we call in Judaism B’nai Noah Teachings, which I’ve talked about with everybody here. And I hope that Messiah will come quickly, together we’ll celebrate in Jerusalem all in peace and devotion.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah, Masha’Allah. As I have already stated before, the Messiah defined in the Torah is the same with the Mahdi expected by the Muslims. Their characterizations are the same, their descriptions are the same, their tasks are the same. Insha’Allah we will all see these beautiful days. Insha’Allah the fact of La Ilaha Ill’Allah [There is no god but Allah] will be glorified and it will prevail all the world. There will be no atheism, no Darwinism, no materialism. The freedom in every thought will be experienced. People will say “how beautiful is the world, how beautiful is life.” Fear will be completely eradicated from the face of earth, terror will be completely eradicated from the face of earth. Women will be able to go wherever they want on their own. There will be no need for the locks on the doors. There will be no need for security cameras. There will be no need for the police to be present in every corner. The courts will be emptied, the police stations will be emptied. There will be very rare cases in the courts insha’Allah. A very peaceful and beautiful life is awaiting for us insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: That is stated in the Torah as well. It is stated that the arrows, arcs and lances, their iron will be melted and will be turned to plows for farmers and will be used in tilling the soil. It is also stated that during the reign of the Mahdi all the weapons will be removed and turned into devices that would be beneficial to the mankind. Insha’Allah weapons will be completely removed. There will be no bloodshed on the face of earth. Not even a nose would ever bleed. We will live such a beautiful era in this century in the perfect meaning of the word, Insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Tomorrow Insha’Allah we will have a big press conference as you know Insha’Allah. We will hold that meeting in a big Hotel. All our press is invited. Insha’Allah these esteemed persons are also invited. We will be able to talk better in a more detailed manner Insha’Allah. Let us not tire our guests anymore. Let them rest a little. Insha’Allah by the leave of Allah we will see each other tomorrow.

ADNAN OKTAR: Gilad Schalid’s father will also come in the coming days. However we will keep the arrival date of Mr. Noam Schalid, Gilad Schalid’s father, a secret. And also keep the hour a secret for safety reasons. In fact we are already in contact with him. We have been in contact and it all goes well Insha’Allah. By the leave of Allah it will all be good Insha’Allah. From now on glad tidings, good news will come successively for all the Islamic World, for our Israeli brothers, for all our Christian brothers Insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Let us give a break now. Insha’Allah.

OKTAR BABUNA: Dear viewers we’re back with our dear guests and Mr. Oktar. The leader of the Samaritans Mr. Japhet Tsedeka will speak. Samaritan religion is a religion very similar to Judaism, very parallel to Judaism. Their leader Mr. Tsedeka will speak now. Go ahead please.

HEAD OF THE SAMARITAN COMMUNITY JAPHET TSEDEKA: The English is not my language. I know ancient Hebrew, new Hebrew and Arabic. That’s why I told the Rabbi Hollander to translate it. But first of all, we know that all of us we’re God’s slaves. And God said: “My slave, go with me, help Me to go with you”. And now we are speaking with Mr. Yahya to tell him “Bring with us to make another step for the peace. It’s not the first step but one step that helps. That’s all.

JAPHET TSEDEKA: I want to speak in Hebrew because I have a lot of point here.

JAPHET TSEDEKA: (Speaking Hebrew.)

RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: The Shomronim community is a part of the Jewish people, it is a particular branch of the Jewish people.

JAPHET TSEDEKA: (Speaking Hebrew.)

RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: The Shomronim community, tribe people are an example of what Harun Yahya talks about. The Shomronim community has a long history in which during certain periods there were many contentions, issues of contention, there were misunderstandings, disagreements and negative attitudes from the side of Jews to the Shomronims, from time the Arabs to the Shomronims. Over the generations, they have learned how to live in harmony and in peace and with mutual understanding both with the Jews in Israel now and with the Arabs in their surroundings, we could learn from them how to live in peace and understanding with one another.

JAPHET TSEDAKA: (Speaking Hebrew.)

RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: The Shomronims [Samaritans] have lived in peace with the Jews in Israel until today in the holy land and they have lived in peace with the Palestinian Arabs, since the Palestinians from before the time of the Jews and now recently when the control of the Har Greizim, where half of the Shomronims live, was given to the Palestinian Arabs, they lived in peace and it was Arafat who made the decision that in the council, there will be a representative of the Shomronims so that it shows so that they have earned the respect and have succeeded living in peace with all sides.

JAPHET TSEDAKA: (Speaking Hebrew.)

RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: The New Testament has the story about the Good Samaritan which shows that the Samaritans have a good relation not only with the Jews but also with the Christians and the Arabs. The Jews, Arabs and also the Christians.

JAPHET TSEDAKA: (Speaking Hebrew.)

Adnan Oktar: Please translate.

JAPHET TSEDAKA: (Speaking Hebrew.)                                                      

RABBI YESHAYAHU HOLLANDER: Mr. Tsedaka said that first of all, the Shomronim community is a small community, it comprises about 750 people and necessarily it needs support and has found support from the Second President of Israel, Yitzhak Ben-Zvi at his time and after that Mr. Lipel who is the general manager of the Ministry for Religous Affairs if I remember correctly and since then he has found patron, most recent patron who is concerned with the development and the spiritual independence of the Samaritan community, as Mr. Ayoop Kara, our guest here.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Some people with certain considerations in mind wish Sunnis, for instance, to get into an enormous bloody struggle with Shias. Alternatively, Wahabbites with Sunnis, Shias. That is, they want every school to get into struggle with the other. This is also not sufficient. They want Jews to get into war with Christians, Muslims with Christians and Jews. In such a state no one would remain in the world. This is a furiously evil view. Every faith will live with love, brotherhood and peace within itself. Allah forbid, let’s imagine such a world [envisaged by them]; everything will be ruined. This is the view advocated, hold by the people of satan. There are those who say “Muslims should get into war with Jews”, “Muslims should make war with Christians.” Alternatively there are also some Christians who say so. They want Muslims to get into war with Jews or everyone to make war with another. There are also some Muslims who think so. In every faith there are such people. We sometimes encounter such people among Jews. This is very very wrong. In general the Jewish community is peaceful. The Muslim community is peaceful in general. Generally the Christian community is peaceful. We will make the peace dominate the world insha’Allah. No power can stand before this insha’Allah because this is what is preordained by Allah.

Please go ahead.

AYOOB KARA: Mr. Yahya, after the war in 1973, between Israel and all the Arabian countries, what happened after the war, they understood that fighting did not give the solution. So the President Sadat called the Prime Minister Begin and said that “I want to come to Jerusalem to the Knesset”, he came to the Knesset and he said that no more war, no more fraction, and this must be the last war cause the war is not the solution and I think that Sadat was so clever. He gave back to Egypt all Sinai, so big land with no war, and until now we have a peace agreement with Egypt. This is, I think, one of the steps, in the side of Islam, a clever way or step to make all the area quiet, to make all the area in peace, to make all the area brother in the same public. This is the way. To be in a fundamentalist organization, to kill people, I think nobody agrees with that and I think it is an opportunity to say that again thank you about your steps, that you say clearly that the peace and love of the humans, love of all the religions is the way to make a good world.

ADNAN OKTAR: And I thank you. Did Israel give back the Sinai area after they talked with Anwar Sadat?

OKTAR BABUNA: Yes, after the war.

ADNAN OKTAR: OK, that is good.

ADNAN OKTAR: Peace will certainly dominate, beauty will dominate. The Torah explicitly indicates this. The Qur’an explicitly indicates it. The hadith clearly indicate it. All humanity will see how my words will come true within 10-20 years. This is an absolute fact. A contrary state is impossible. Indeed, the developments so far display that this is a fact. Every day the power of believers increase and every day Darwinism and materialism receive a blow and recede. This means, this century is the one in which Allah’s beauty will dazzle people’s eyes. This is the century in which Allah’s light will cover all over the world. Allah’s light has already covered but people will see it insha’Allah. Consequently, we can experience this joy in advance, insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Israel will never fall out with Turkey and we never let it happen, let me say.

ADNAN OKTAR: This is not possible until the Doomsday. So let your heart be at ease.

AYOOB KARA: I want to say the basic of my family is Turkish. The Ottomans, the Turks sent my grand-father to serve the Turkish army 400 years ago, to near Haifa, to the Carmel and we until now continued to stay there, we didn’t get back here so I want you to know Mr. Yahya that you have an agency in Israel.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha’Allah. InshaAllah. So we came to the end of the program, Right?

OKTAR BABUNA: Yes, we did. Insha’Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Alright, we will see each other tomorrow insha’Allah.

OKTAR BABUNA: Dear viewers, we wish a good night to all of you. We came to the end of our program, tomorrow insha'Allah we will see each other again.  

2010-01-20 07:04:24

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