The Secret Beyond Matter

Mr. Adnan Oktar's live conversation with Sean Ali Stone (May 2nd, 2012)

Excerpt from Mr. Adnan Oktar's Live Conversation on A9 TV dated May 2nd, 2012

OKTAR BABUNA: Good evening, we are continuing with our program insha'Allah. We are together with Onder, Ender and our brother, famous producer Oliver Stone's son Sean, with his new Muslim name Sean-Ali Stone and with our dear Master. Here you are Master.

ADNAN OKTAR: Well my God, what an honor this is, what a great beauty. Welcome Sean. How are you?

SEAN STONE: Thank you. I am good, how are you?

ADNAN OKTAR: Alhamdulillah Masha'Allah. You're becoming a Muslim has caused a great joy and a great happiness for the whole Muslim world. Everyone loves you very much. You are very much loved in Turkey as well. Your friends here love you very much too. May Allah give you beauty, goodness and abundance. Insha'Allah may you become our brother in the Paradise as well, you are our brother in this world anyway. How is it? Did you love your brothers? How was the effect of the care and attention you received in Turkey on you?

SEAN STONE: I've got it. I can speak Turkish now. It is a tremendous country culturally. I feel like there is many ghosts and many much conflicts that come to this land you know. East and West meeting here. From Alexander Great building his empire from here to the Byzantines. You know the Byzantine Empire, the East Rome, the invasions of the Crusades were launched really because the Byzantine Empire called upon the Crusaders for help against the Muslims. But then Islam conquers and still reigns here in Constantinople Istanbul. So I think it is an amazing, an amazing country with a tremendous history. And the Turkish people are proud people, a mixture of many different times in a way, it is like many different centuries coming together and this place is the center of the world I think.

ADNAN OKTAR: Sean is a radiant person. He is very well mannered, very decent. As far as we see, as far as we observe he is a very positive person. His father is a very famous producer. And Sean has played parts in his father's movies. Right? Masha'Allah. His voice is very characteristic, he has a very high-quality style. I am hearing his voice as if I am watching a historical movie. And he has a nice stature and all that, masha'Allah, he is very handsome. May Allah give you goodness, beauty and abundance. May He give goodness to both your father and yourself. May He deem all of you brothers in the Paradise. May Allah lead all of us to the right path insha'Allah. That is nice and well. You will be going to Iran as well from here?

SEAN STONE: That is my plan. Iran next.. to bring some peaceful energy you know, as an olive branch and peace.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. They love you very much in Iran as well. And they love you very much in Turkey too. You are very much liked in all the Muslim world.

SEAN STONE: Hopefully the whole world soon, will eaqually love me but also come to embrace Islam and at least the principle of One God, One Creator that creates all of us. Every man and woman is made in His image, the One image, you know the image of God.

ADNAN OKTAR: With you being instrumental, with us being instrumental, the system of the Mahdi is embracing the world with all its speed, with all its glory. Willingly or unwillingly we all are serving the system of the Mahdi and we are acting as the students of the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh). We are of course doing this willingly, with great joy. But we are the beautiful people of the beautiful days. And you have been guided nicely by Allah within the destiny. You have a beautiful destiny. You have come here upon a beautiful destiny, you are talking upon that beautiful destiny. You will be performing very beautiful tasks. You will be given a task in ensuring the world peace, in making the world a nice place, in Islam reigning the world, in the appearance of the King Messiah- that is the Mahdi (pbuh), in the re-building of the Prophet Solomon's Masjid, during these historical days. Allah has given you that task even before you were born. You continue on your way upon your destiny. And our sweet brothers here are also within that destiny. I am in that destiny as well. Yes.

SEAN STONE: Insha'Allah. It is funny when I accepted Islam, the imam was named Nassary. We have talked a little bit about why I came to Islam. But afterwards he was very insistent that Mahdi is coming because people need it. It is like, he said it is like the stock-market. It is demand, it is supplying the demand. It is basic economics. The mankind, humankind needs the Mahdi. They need the spirit of the Mahdi to come and fill their hearts. And remind them that we are here thanks to God. You know, not just thanks to random chance, not thanks to man, but thanks to God. And so that was a very important moment at the time of my acceptance of Islam was talking about the Mahdi.

ADNAN OKTAR: While Allah created you as radiant and beautiful as you are, while Allah created you wise and conscientious, He created you in a way that you would become a student of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). You will become a student of Hazrat Mahdi without even you realizing it. You will become a student of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) without even you realizing. And being aware you will serve Islam very beautifully.

SEAN STONE: Insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah. But he is really very amiable.

OKTAR BABUNA: Masha'Allah yes he is.

ADNAN OKTAR: He is very good natured Masha'Allah. He is very possitive, very kind, very humble. I mean that also caught my attention very much. He is like a friend of yours among you. He is very cordial, right? He is not assuming a special type of manner, a special type of attitude. He acts in a modest, sincere humility that befits a Muslim and that suits him very well. His childhood was very cute and his older ages is very cute as well. Masha'Allah.

SEAN STONE: What I've always appreciated about Islam is the word Islam, submission. I think this is a tremendously powerful point that people have to understand that the most powerful person in the world is also the most humble. Because he only can operate thanks to God, thanks to the power that God gives him. So even if you can be the King Solomon but you will have no power unless it is by the power of God.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. And by that reason you are being protected by Allah. That is why you are healthy like this, that is why you are handsome like this. That is the reason why you are this much loved and you will be loved even more. You will be performing very beautiful services. You will give great service. Note that Allah had brought you to the place mentioned in the Torah. You've come to Rome. This city is referred to as Rome in the Torah. The Torah says; "Look for the Mahdi at the gates of Rome." Our Prophet (saas) tells us to look for the Mahdi in Istanbul. You've come to a historical city, on historically significant days. You've come here in 2012 and that is very important for you. In your childhood and even before you were born from your parents this destiny has been defined for you like this. Great people talked to you in Iran and also in Istanbul you've contacted saints that you do not know of. You will go to Ankara now and you will meet very important people there as well. A continuous spiritual support and a spiritual beauty will come upon you. And you will see that you will improve progressively and become even better day by day. Allah is the One Who directs all your movements. The angels are helping you through every single movement of yours so that you can act correctly. You are adopting such beautiful manners thanks to that help and you will continue to do so insha'Allah.

SEAN STONE: I agree. There is a destiny because I ended up on Valentines day this year in.. where was I, which city was it in Iran? I am blanking now. The city of Joshua, where Joshua is burried. Esfahan. Where Joshua's tomb is Esfahan. And people don't know this. That Joshua's tomb is there. The Iranians are very proud. They make pilgrimage to this tomb because they love Joshua they love the prophet. So I was in Esfahan and I was at the tomb of Joshua and I have the vision that I should embrace Islam and show the West, especially now at a time when the West is fearful of Islam, that it is not a religion of violence, it is not a dangerous religion, it is the most beautiful glorious religion where you have a direct relationship to God. And that's I think is the most appealing, that's what really spoke to me the most. It is that what matters is you and your soul and your relationship to God, not through a priest or through anyone to tell you what God wants but to seek it directly.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Let Sean open a page for me from the Qur'an. Let me see where he has opened.

SEAN STONE: Oh. 313..

ADNAN OKTAR: Where has he opened?

OKTAR BABUNA: Surah Ta-Ha. Masha'Allah.

SEAN STONE: You see the page 313.


OKTAR BABUNA: 313 he says. I have opened the page 313. This is a good number.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha' Allah where does he know this from?

Well.. Almighty Allah says - I seek refuge with Allah from the satan- in Surah Ta-Ha verse 42.. "Go, you and your brother, with My Signs.." I seek refuge with Allah from the satan. ".. and do not slacken in remembering Me." And do not slacken in remembering Allah. "Go to Pharaoh; he has overstepped the bounds." He says go preach the religion. "But speak to him with gentle words so that hopefully he will pay heed or show some fear." So Allah tells them to preach the religion against the system of the dajjal (anti-messiah). For instance here Allah says, in Surah Ta Ha [24-38]; "Go to Pharaoh. He has overstepped the bounds." That is the dajjal. "He [Musa] said, 'O Lord, expand my breast for me and make my task easy for me. Loosen the knot in my tongue, so that they will understand my words. Assign me a helper from my family.." "Assign me a helper.." so that means the Muslims always need a helper. ".. my brother Harun. Strengthen my back by him, and let him share in my task, so that we can glorify You much, and remember You much for You are watching us." Allah said, 'Your request has been granted, Musa. We were gracious to you another time." That is what Allah reminds us in the Qur'an. [Surah Ta Ha, Verse 14] "I am Allah. There is no god but Me, so worship Me and establish salat to remember Me. The Hour is coming but I have concealed it so that every self can be repaid for its efforts." So that is a sign to show that the Last Day is imminent, insha'Allah. "Do not let those who have no iman in it and follow their whims and desires debar you from it or you will be destroyed." So Allah says "do not let the weakness of those who have no faith in the Qur'an, who do not believe in Allah, debar you from it."

He really did open the page 313. As you know, Hazrat Mahdi, the King Messiah (pbuh) has 313 students. And because he knows this, he liked it a lot when he turned that page. Insha'Allah may you become of those 313 students of his. May be you have already become that. But of course it is highly meaningful that you turned the 313th page. Insha'Allah. It is full of wisdom. That is a sign from Allah for you, a very important sign. That is because the number 313 is also the number of the people in the Battle of Badr. 313 is the number of the Companions that acted with our Prophet (saas) in the Battle of Badr. That is also number of the people that passed the river together with Talut [Saul] and it is the number of the students of Hazrat Mahdi as well. So the number 313 is a key figure. I mean the number of Hazrat Mahdi key students, the number of his commanders. And Almighty Allah making you open the page 313 the minute you open the pages of the Qur'an is an important spiritual sign for you. And the page starts with the verse 13. "I have chosen you, so listen well to what is revealed," says Allah. Yes.. The Qur'an is full of secrets.

SEAN STONE: I like this story very much. I think it resonates now especially. The idea of the anti-christ of the time, the power structure that we face. The worldly power of the Pharaoh , we see it everyday. And to have the opportunity to bring God's Word and say "Be careful, if you do not make amends, if you do not repent and rectify yourself with God it will be the End of Days at that time. "

ADNAN OKTAR: I have given you the Qur'an and asked you to open a page like this especially, knowing that a sign would come up for you. So that you can see that with your own eyes. Now I am giving you a book about Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), turn any page from this.

Yes.. The 15h hadith; "Hazrat Mahdi's (pbuh)standard bearer will be a small, young man, with a light beard and yellow coloring. Even if mountains rise up before him he will cross them, and go as far as Balya." "Before he comes, the inhabitants of Egypt and Sham will kill their rulers and their commanders...". So by, that the discord in Egypt and in Damascus in the time of Mahdi is being noted. At the moment there is a huge discord both in Damascus, Syria and in Egypt as you know. And that is the portent of the appearance of Hazrat Mahdi. "The people of Sham will take prisoner the tribes of Egypt.." So it says that the Muslims will be at each other's throats. There really is a fight in between the Sunnis and the Shias. Egyptians are Sunnis in general and in Syria, Shias are there generally. But that distinction will be completely disappear in the time of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). That is because the Sunnis and the Shias are all brothers and sisters. They all are Muslims, they all are the same.

And in the 19th hadiths, the great corruption that will appear in Damascus is mentioned, the bloodshed in Damascus is mentioned. It is stated that a cruel dajjal known as the son of the Liver eater will appear in Syria. We see the exact same things at the moment.

SEAN STONE: I am skipping Syria on this trip maybe I should go next time. I am skipping over Syria on this trip.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, Syria is not a safe place at the moment. But it will be a very safe place in the near future that is because in the hadiths our Messenger (saas) says that women would be able to go safely as far as Damascus. This corruption in Damascus will disappear. Israel will not have a war with Iran.

SEAN STONE: Insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Without getting permission from Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), without getting permission from the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh), without getting permission from Hazrat Khidr (pbuh) no one can do something like that. Consequently things happen with the permission of Allah as you know. They cannot even move from their places. I mean at the moment they are having trouble in even imagining that. I mean that information is being blocked from coming to their minds. I mean let them try to think about that, they will see this, that information is being blocked from their minds. I mean at the moment they are at a point that they are unable to even imagine war. I mean they are unable to concentrate at the moment to give that decision about war. That information does not flow to the brains of the related parties; that information does not flow to the brains of both parties. They want to think about it but they are unable to think at the moment. That information had been suppressed in their brains. Let them try to think about it, let them use their will power- yet of course that would not happen, I mean they should not do that anyway. But when they try to deliberate on this they will see that they will not be able to think on it. That is specifically being blocked at the moment. That is why they are unable to make any move at this moment, and they will not be able to move.

SEAN STONE: Yes, I have seen that many times in my life how everything begins with an idea, a seed in the mind but it comes from something from somewhere else. We don't know where. We say imagination, genius. But it is something almost as though given to us, from Light, from the Light. And from this little spark, we, then work and act upon it to make it grow and to make it real. But as you say if God does not want it, if Allah does not want this idea to come to fruition, you're blocked no matter what you try, you will find walls all around. And it requires an army to make any idea no matter how small, come into reality. That army will not be there unless Allah gives it to you.

ADNAN OKTAR: But look, there is a very miraculous point about this. They cannot even make this idea pass their minds at the moment, I mean they cannot concentrate on it. They want it but they cannot concentrate on it, they are unable to do this at the moment. I mean they cannot gather that will power in their brains at the moment. Ask this to Iran and ask it to Israel, ask this to their Chiefs of Staff. Even though they have such a desire their power to concentrate has been taken away from them. That is a miracle, a miracle that they also are witness to.

SEAN STONE: That is right.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes.. And this is a portent of the appearance of the King Messiah, of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). That is a portent that they will be amazed of. That is a visible, concrete, tangible portent.

OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah. Alhamdulillah.

SEAN STONE: I have a question for you. Do you think.. What role does the Ark of the Covenant play in the Mahdi's return?

ADNAN OKTAR: That will be presented to the Jews as an evidence to prove that the righteousness of the Mahdi (pbuh). All the Jews will then confirm that the Mahdi is a fact, that he is true. I mean with that proof the majority of the Jews will become Muslims. That is because, there will the original of the manna inside the ark. manna preserved inside a container, many holy relics belonging to the Prophet Musa (pbuh) will be discovered inside. The original of the Torah will be discovered and these will of course have a very positive effect on people. I mean these constitute a very strong evidence for a sincere, conscientious person to become a Muslim. But these will be found by the hand of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). I mean they will be found with Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) being instrumental in their discovery.

SEAN STONE: So inside the ark, we are told that there is the manna. Manna.. What does that mean exactly. Manna is the food of the gods, right? Doesn't that come.. I mean what is it, is it a liquid or what is it? Does it come from the brain or what is it? Manna?

ADNAN OKTAR: I can show you manna if you like. Is manna here? We have had it in a bottle?

OKTAR BABUNA: It might be at home Master.

ADNAN OKTAR: Let them bring it here to me so that I can show it to Sean. Have you never seen manna?

SEAN STONE: No, never.

ADNAN OKTAR: Let me have it brought here. My Freemason friends brought that for me especially. That is a special substance obtained very difficultly, that can only be presented to high ranking Freemasons. It can only be preserved inside water. If left in a dust form it can pass through the glass and come out, that is the kind of substance it is. It is a strange substance.

SEAN STONE: Did they tell you what it is made of? What is the source of it?

ADNAN OKTAR: It can be produced from vegetables. But the one they mostly emphasize is the one produced from gold. The one given to me was manna obtained from gold.

SEAN STONE: The white gold or the normal gold?

ADNAN OKTAR: Normal gold as far as I know.

SEAN STONE: This is one of the secrets of alchemy. The elixir of life, right? This is what they called it.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, I have not yet tasted it, I wouldn't know.

SEAN STONE: May be you should try it.

ADNAN OKTAR: May be it has a time for it. May be in the future, may be later.

SEAN STONE: Are you scared that there is poison?

ADNAN OKTAR: It is not a poison, it is a useful substance. My Freemason friends use that. I mean when they use it causes a powerful increase in their perception, I mean in their perception regarding the sensations coming from the outside. And that sometimes creates excitement in people, I mean manna can be something that not every person can handle. I mean it creates an extra-ordinary increase in people's power of seeing, hearing and thinking, in the immenseness of their horizon of contemplation. That might sometimes be traumatic for people. I mean it is not something everyone can do.

SEAN STONE: It is very true. This is why the priests, historically only the priests would drink the manna, the food of the gods. Only the priests could handle this, this ability to see.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. Inside the Ark of Covenant, the original manna from the time of the Musa will be found. The real manna.

SEAN STONE: Different than todays?

ADNAN OKTAR: It is the same. But it is very important that it would be made by the hand of the Prophet Musa (pbuh) himself.

SEAN STONE: But then why would the ark of the Covenant.. It could kill people, it was like radio-active almost. Right? There were people, priests, who were not allowed, who were not supposed to interact with it would actually die when they approached the Ark.

ADNAN OKTAR: It is at the bottom of the Lake Tiberias at the moment. Some of the holy relics are in the caves of Damascus and some are in Hatay, in Turkey. They are inside caves in Hatay, inside several caves.

SEAN STONE: But then again, they can't approach. It takes a certain person, a certain type of person to actually approach the Ark.

ADNAN OKTAR: Only the Mahdi will be able to open it. Other than him, no one is allowed. I mean no one can handle that other than the Mahdi. But when the Mahdi opens it, since this is a point known in the Torah as well, I mean since this is something known to the whole Christian world as well, since this is an explicit miracle, I mean since this is a wonder, a miracle impossible to deny, many people would embrace Islam. The Ark is there as it is at the moment, in its original form. That ark made up of gold. It is also explicitly stated in the verses of the Qur'an. Allah says that it is protected by the angels. No one can damage it.

SEAN STONE: The Ark is one of the keys. They were other components of the Ark were there not? Inside of the Ark, aside from the manna, is there anything else that is needed to activate it? How do you say it? It is almost like, I am told, there might be different pieces to the Ark that have to come together at this place.

ADNAN OKTAR: The Ark is full of love and is compassionate towards Hazrat Mahdi. Yet when other people touch it, it has a deadly effect. That Ark has only permission for Hazrat Mahdi, no one other than him can open it. If they attempt to open it, just like those who did before, received the retribution of it, the same thing will happen. As you know when that Ark was opened it was protected with a curtain, in order to prevent public seeing it, it was protected while being opened and closed.

SEAN STONE: I thought you've said that they will bring the manna. Now they are bringing the manna? They are bringing it?

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes I am having it brought.

SEAN STONE: What about the grail. The holy grail, do you think this is a physical chalice used by Christ, by Jesus? You know the grail, cup?

ADNAN OKTAR: Everything that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) has used is holy. The properties of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will be found as well. And that is again predestined for Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). After that the Christian world, the Jewish world and the Muslim World will sincerely believe that the Mahdi is true. I mean they will come to see this in a way that it will be impossible to deny. For instance look, I am saying that it is at the bottom of the Lake Tiberias, yet no one is able to take it out. I am saying its place openly, look I am pronouncing it explicitly. Under the muds, it is at the bottom of the Lake Tiberias at the moment. But they cannot take it out. I mean no country, no state can ever be able to do that.

SEAN STONE: Do you know if they have tried? The governments or people have tried to take the Ark?

ADNAN OKTAR: They cannot try, they are even unable to think about it.

SEAN STONE: The Nazis were trying. The Nazis were looking for the Ark.

ADNAN OKTAR: They did but not at the bottom of the Lake Tiberias. They looked for it elsewhere.

SEAN STONE: In Africa, right?

ADNAN OKTAR: They looked for it in irrelevant places.

SEAN STONE: Indiana Jones never found it!

ADNAN OKTAR: He is really very amiable. He has a very nice voice Masha'Allah. He is very wholehearted. He genuinely is religious, Masha'Allah. His manners are very honest, that is very nice. But you are living in a very beautiful age, you will be seeing very beautiful things. That is why you are very much blessed. You will feel a great happiness, you will like it. That is because it is a great honor for you. You could as well be one of those people who will come afterwards, but you are one of the pioneers and that is a very nice thing. It is very good. Insha'Allah.

SEAN STONE: Thank you, insha'Allah. So I want to know more about the grail. You do know what the grail is? The Holy Grail?

ADNAN OKTAR: What a sweet thing he is. You, you, you.. You will learn about many things if you do not haste. Everything has its time.

SEAN STONE: This is true. Everything in its time. Allah does not use clocks, everything is in its season. That is one thing to remember. We've lost track of time as circular, we thought of it as linear. And this is a big mistake. If one lives according to the clock and not listen to this inside.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course.. Even before you were born to your mother you have already opened that 313th page.

SEAN STONE: Or the angels were here to help guide that, that is why.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Because you have a sincere faith, Allah inspires such beautiful things to your heart. Masha'Allah.

SEAN STONE: And what about A9? What does A9 mean?

ADNAN OKTAR: 9 is very important in the system of the Mahdi. Mahdi will give a struggle against 9 different opponents. When asked about Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), Hazrat Ali (ra) makes the sign 9 with his hand. The figure 9 is the same both in Arabic and also in Latin letters, they have the same form. The 9 in Arabic is the same with the 9 in Latin. When Hazrat Ali is asked about the Mahdi, he merely makes the sign 9 with his hand. It means that we also are the students of the Mahdi and that we are preparing the grounds for Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), so that we are blessed to use that figure 9.

SEAN STONE: And the A is for Adonis?

ADNAN OKTAR: A stands for Allah insha'Allah.

SEAN STONE: Allah… but it was interesting I was told that the Templars, the Templar Knights are waiting for Adonis, the return of Adonis.

ADNAN OKTAR: That is true, yes. In the Masonic tradition, that is a truth that all Masons believe in. Adon, Adonai is known to be the leader of the Masons, of all the Masons of the world. There is a big historical painting about this. I have seen a big painting in which they have portrayed Adonai reviewing all masonic troops. They are referring to that fact in that painting as well. The Freemasonry is also a team, a group that will be under the command of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). They will be under the command of both the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh) and of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh).

SEAN STONE: Do they think Adonis is the same as Jesus or he is different?

ADNAN OKTAR: Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is different. I mean the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is not the person that the Masons are waiting for. They are waiting for the King Messiah (pbuh). The Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh) is different, I mean there are to Messiahs. One is the Messiah the son of Mary and the other is the King Messiah. I mean he is the one that will be the king of the world. Yet the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh) will be coming as the helper of the King Messiah, he will come as his vizier.

SEAN STONE: But they think that Adonis is the same as the Mahdi or Adonis is different?

ADNAN OKTAR: Adonai is of course the same with the Mahdi. I mean the person the Masons will obey is the Mahdi, the King Messiah. The Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will not come as a King, he will come as the helper of the King Messiah (pbuh). He will be the vizier of him.

SEAN STONE: I will tell you a secret. I was very surprised to hear that they await Adonis, because I have visions of Adonis, since may be eight nine years. The eternal youth, right? He was a very beautiful man. And you know some cult scholars, Edouard Schure, I think he was, wrote that the spirit of Adonis came to Jesus, to Isa, and that was when he took upon himself the obligation to basically raise the world, to raise the consciousness, he assumed the responsibility for the world. That was the spirit of Adonis coming to Isa.

ADNAN OKTAR: That has taken different shapes in different legends. But the truth is very clear. The King Messiah (pbuh) is a human being born to a mother and a father. His name is Adon and that is how it is known by the Masons as well. And the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will come separately and he will be the helper of Hazrat Mahdi. However this has of course been given very different forms in various legends but the truth of the matter is very clear and explicit. The letters Alpha (A) and Omega (O) are sacred in Freemasonry. And that is the same in Christianity as well, as you know. That is also mentioned in the Torah "and Alpha and Omega." Alpha and Omega is mentioned in the Injil (the Gospels) as well, they are mentioned in several places. Alpha and Omega, that is the letters A and O, are sacred in Freemasonry. They symbolize the letter A with a compass. The letter A is an important symbol of Freemasonry. And the letter O symbolizes infinity. The letter A also symbolizes the A in the Adonai and it also has some other meanings. Again when thought upon in connection with Freemasonry, when analyzed, when those secrets are examined, people would reach to many truths successively.

SEAN STONE: And so the vision I had, Mahdi, was a youth born to a society very similar to ours where it was striated between an aristocracy of people who believe they there were gods, and they ruled the society, without repercussion, without consciousness for their fellow man, who, most people were living in poverty, and they were not being educated, they were not being helped. And Adonis was born, and brought up from the lower class to the upper class by accident, by accident of birth, and he ultimately sympathized with the lower class and rather than perpetuate an empire, he opposed the policy of empire, and he wanted to use the technology of the upper class to raise the consciousness and the standard of well-being of all men in his world, and he is opposed by the powers that be.

ADNAN OKTAR: Hazrat Mahdi has been talked about in great details in the Torah. His physical appearance, his activities, where he will appear, how he will act, his being peaceful, his appearance in Istanbul- it has been stated as Rome- and the date 2012 has been given. All those have been explained explicitly. The Freemasonry takes this concept from the Torah anyway.

SEAN STONE: And how does he look?



ADNAN OKTAR: He is very sweet and very well informed.

SEAN STONE: You can do a sketch; like a "Wanted" police sketch; "Have you seen this man?"

ADNAN OKTAR: It is stated in the Torah that he will be very peaceful, that he will not shed blood, that he would be against wars. It is stated that he will take his power from Allah. When it is asked where his strength comes from, it is said that his strength comes only from Allah. Allah will continuously open his way, angels will help him. And it is said that he will be successful with a small group of people, with a small group. He will be in Rome. People ask "where should we look for him? Should we look for him in Jerusalem?" "No," it is said, "look for him at the gates of Rome, look for him at the gates of Istanbul." Also in Freemasonry, also in the masonic belief, the Templar Knights believe him to be here. That is what the masters of the Templars say. They say; "that according to our books aged more than a thousand years, we know that he will be in Istanbul." And they say; "we are commissioned with that task." I mean "the goal of our being is the appearance Mahdi (pbuh), the appearance of the King Messiah and being his helpers and the rebuilding of the Temple, the Masjid of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh). That is what we are commissioned for," they say. That is what they believe in. Allah leads them in that direction.

Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is being described in great details in the descriptions of our Prophet (saas). In the Torah, for instance, it is said that he has a beautiful face and that he is very amiable and very clean. In the descriptions made by our Prophet (saas) it is said that he has a medium stature. It is said that he has a broad forehead. He has a wide forehead. While our friend Oktar here talks about him he does so while looking at my face! That is why I do not let Oktar explain these that much. He looks at my face when he doesn't remember!

Our Prophet says; he has one single dip in between his eyebrows (brow furrow line), he has a broad forehead, he has a mole on his cheek, he has a medium stature, he has broad shoulders, he has a wide stomach, his thighs are wide as well, so he is a wide person from end to end. I mean his whole body is wide. That is not the case with the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh). The Prophet Jesus has a thin waist, he has an athletic stature. He has gray eyes. He has long fingers and he has freckles. He has long hair, his hair is reddish yellow coming down on his shoulders. The Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh) has a small, nice nose, he has very sharp looks. He has gray eyes. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) is green eyed and he (the Prophet Jesus (pbuh)) has gray eyes. Because of their same lineage, they look very much like each other. Hazrat Mahdi's (pbuh) face is very much similar to the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh), that is stated in the hadiths. I mean in the descriptions made by the Messenger of Allah (saas) it is stated that he is the one who looks like Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) the most. I mean when it comes to resembling each other; they have a powerful resemblance. I mean in terms of facial expressions. Our Prophet says;" his character is like mine, but his appearance is not like mine." He says; "he has the looks of the people of Israel." I mean he has the looks of an Israeli person, the looks of the people of Israel. "The looks of the people of Israel," it is said in Arabic. "Ayn ul-hadra" it is said in Arabic, that means he is green eyed. His eye-brows will be curved, our prophet (saas) has given a lot of details. He has a small nose, he says. He has a small, snub nose. He has a shining face, his face is shiny. His hair is black, his beard is black. His beard is thin at the sides, at these two sides it will be thin. And as I have learned from Cubbeli Ahmet, I didn't know this before, these parts will be shiny, they will be very clean and shiny, he says. The part in between his ear and his beard, I for instance didn't know this, I have learnt it from Cubbeli. Our Prophet (saas) says his beard will be "kevsec" in Arabic. He will have "meczum" beard, that is corrected from below. So he will not have long beard. It will be "kevsec" in the sides, in Arabic. You can see these in Iranian sources as well. It is widely explained in the Iranian sources. Especially in the Iranian sources the subject matter Mahdi is very widely explained. He has a mole on his back just like the seal of our Prophet (saas), just on his shoulder blade. That is a black mole. Yet it is not high. Our Prophet (saas) says that there is another mole on the right side of his chest which is wide like a leaf, like a life of the myrtle. There is a darkness of skin on the right side of his chest.

His teeth are bright and very beautiful, he says. Our Prophet says he has very beautiful shaped teeth. His feet will point outward as he walks, he says. That is how he walks, he says. He has a mole on his right foot. Our Prophet (saas) gave great details for him to be recognized, he says there is a big mark on his right foot. There is a mark (scar) on his forehead, he says.

OKTAR BABUNA: He has a single one brow furrow line.

ADNAN OKTAR: I've already said that. What else is there?

OKTAR BABUNA: Using his right hand while talking. His coming from the descend of our Prophet (saas), his being a sayyid.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes he is a sayyid, he is from the line of our Prophet (saas) and he is also from the line of the Prophet David (pbuh). I mean because Hazrat Ali (ra) is from the line of the Prophet David (pbuh), and since he comes from the line of Hazrat Ali (ra), he is also from the line of the Prophet David (pbuh).

SEAN STONE: So it's actually both houses? Isaac and Ishmael? Both lines of Abraham?

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, yes.. But Hazrat Mahdi comes from the line of Israel. And that is why his appearance -there is about 10 hadiths in this end- is like the appearance of the people of Israel. I mean when looked from the outside Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) looks like the Jews. It is stated as the "looks of the people of Israel." Cuppeli was talking about this, he said he has the looks of the people of Israel and then he said his height will be like the height of the Israelis. Well, how come only his height is mentioned, what does the looks mean? "The looks," mean his body as a whole. That is what is meant by the looks. The looks is something everyone knows. How can the word "the looks" mean only the height? Height is a different word. Who knows why he didn't want to say it out straight. In fact it is very clear, I mean that is not one, two, three or four hadiths, there are plenty of hadiths stating that he would have the looks of the people of Israel. It is said; "when you look at him, he will look like a man from the people of Israel," about his physical appearance. I mean, it is said that he is majestic and glorious. I mean Hazrat Mahdi(pbuh) has an interesting outlook, not much resembling to other people.

OKTAR BABUNA: Light colored mark on his cheek.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, it is said that there is a mole, a light colored mole on his cheek. Look, for instance this is, stating that the mole on his cheek is light colored is, an amazing detail. For instance our Prophet (saas) says that he will appear in Istanbul. That is also very detailed account. Yet Istanbul is referred to as Constantinople in the hadiths of our Prophet (saas) and it is mentioned as Rome in the Torah. The hadiths refer to Istanbul as Constantinople.

ENDER: His skin being light colored at times and dark colored at others.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, his skin will become reddish at times, and sometimes it will have a lighter color. His skin will have two different colors in time but in general his color will be Arabian. I mean his skin will be in between white and red.

OKTAR BABUNA: His being born in a big city and then coming to Istanbul

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes.. It is stated in the hadiths that the number of his students will be 313. That is the number of the people in the Battle of Badr. The subject I have talked about previously. Or the number of the people passing the river with Talut, 313 people. The number of the students of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will be 313. What else?

OKTAR BABUNA: He will look young even in advanced ages.

ADNAN OKTAR: Looking young even in advanced ages, that is a characteristic unique to Mahdi (pbuh). I mean there will never be such a severe collapse in Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). He has the appearance of youth that will not be proportional with his age. I mean he doesn't look like his age. What else?

OKTAR BABUNA: He has very few siblings

ADNAN OKTAR: Our Prophet (saas) says that he will have very few siblings.

OKTAR BABUNA: His birth will be in secret, says our Prophet.

ADNAN OKTAR: He says that his birth will be in secret. I mean his birth will not be in a hospital or declared in public, so it is stated that he will be born at home.

OKTAR BABUNA: There will be a very slight protrusion on his nose and he will have slanted eyes.

ADNAN OKTAR: Oh yes, there is a very slight protrusion on his nose, says our Prophet (saas). And he says that there is a very slight concavity on his forehead. So he says his forehead is not convex but concave. Sorry?

ENDER: He will be an orphan.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes he says that he will be an orphan. So his father would be dead.

OKTAR BABUNA: He is mentioned as the King Messiah (pbuh), the son of Yusuf (Joseph), in the Torah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes.. Yet if we let Oktar explain these, people will say; "that is directly you!"

SEAN STONE: Looks a lot like you, actually.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, he looks like me and like people who look like me, insha'Allah.

There is the sign of the Templars on it, if you look carefully.

SEAN STONE: You mean this one?

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes there too.

SEAN STONE: Oh, this one is the Knights. I have also seen the Knights of Malta, the same, the Maltese cross.

ADNAN OKTAR: They told me that they could also bring it in the form of powder but it doesn't stay inside the bottle, they said it passes through the glass and reaches outside and disperses. And that is why they keep it in water.

SEAN STONE: So how much we drink, a little bit? A drop?

ADNAN OKTAR: Probably. It should be very very little. Yes yes, it should be taken very little, as 3-5 drops, only with a drip.


ADNAN OKTAR: It has a very interesting appearance if you notice.

SEAN STONE: It looks very cloudy, like a love potion.


SEAN STONE: It's really magical, though; it has a magical quality.

ADNAN OKTAR: It is an interesting substance yes..

SEAN STONE: If we turn it upside down like this?

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes it is an interesting substance.

SEAN STONE: I feel like Merlin, the magician.

ADNAN OKTAR: Let us not say magician, but what can we say?

OKTAR BABUNA: Illusionist?

ADNAN OKTAR: Well, yes a person who is working with wonders let us say.

SEAN STONE: He was like an arif; a wise man, a scholar.. Can I taste it?

ADNAN OKTAR: Don't you dare! I do not recommend it.

SEAN STONE: Just a little?

ADNAN OKTAR: It might be risky. In your next visit maybe. That is because the effect of it might be very severe. I mean your body may not handle it. Of course, we do not know what kind of an effect it will have. And we love you, we wouldn't want to lose you.

SEAN STONE: You want to taste a little with me?

ADNAN OKTAR: It might be risky. I mean because it is like something that can be consumed in a certain state of mind. Anything above that might harm the balance of the soul.

SEAN STONE: Yes, but the energy right now is actually incredible.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. And that might be traumatic. I mean it might harm you psychologically. But there is also the time that you will be given manna, so do not make haste.

SEAN STONE: I like this symbol. Positive, negative.


SEAN STONE: There is a balance.

ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. Only because I love you I wouldn't want you to be harmed.

SEAN STONE: Of course.. Of course.. It is interesting that you were given the stick of the Sufi Master Nasseri; was it Nasseri, in Cyprus?

OKTAR BABUNA: He means Sheikh Nazim from Cyprus.

SEAN STONE: Sheikh Nazim. What is the meaning of the stick, it's history?

ADNAN OKTAR: That is a staff, a great Nakshibendi Sheikh, who himself is a sayyid, had been given long before. I mean it had been brought to him specifically. It is made up of a rose tree. It has a long description, let me present it to you later in written form. His Highness Sheikh Ahmad Yasin is explaining that staff very nicely, in great detail. Let our friends translate it into English and give it to you so that you can learn about it in all details. There is a wonder about the staff, there is something about it and you will see that better, when you study that matter yourself. But you have seen the historical Torah that the Jewish friends have sent, they have shown it to you? The Torah Rolls? Yes..

SEAN STONE: I can't read that.

ADNAN OKTAR: There is also a replica of the Ark of the Prophet Solomon (pbuh) aging about 200 years sent to me by my Mason friends. You have also seen that ark which was previously kept in a Masonic temple and then presented to me as a gift.

SEAN STONE: But the stick has a power, an energy to it, when I touch it; I feel there's a long history.

ADNAN OKTAR: What I actually mean is related with those, it is related with those you've been feeling.

SEAN STONE: I wonder, if we took manna and we touched it, what would we feel?

ADNAN OKTAR: There is still time for it. I will tell you when.

SEAN STONE: I think we will fly.

ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, there will be a tremendous sharpness in your conscious. Your visual efficiency will increase. Your point of view will deepen. But it might be harmful for you at this stage. I will tell you when it is time.

SEAN STONE: I will trust you then.

ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah.

SEAN STONE: Insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Let us not tire this sweetest one anymore today. Let it be all for today. To which channel does he think about going? Beyaz TV?

OKTAR BABUNA: Let me look at it.

ADNAN OKTAR: Well whatever, we will arrange than, we will think about that. Only for a short time may be..

OKTAR BABUNA: Yes, that is the channel Master.

ADNAN OKTAR: Okay.. Okay then, but my opinion is that it would be better if we do not tire him tonight, it might be okay only if it is a very short interview. Okay?

OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah Master.

ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah.. That is because he will have a flight tomorrow. He should not fly sleepless. It might be better if he only had a very short interview. Alright?

OKTAR BABUNA: Insha'Allah Master, okay.

ADNAN OKTAR: Alright then, let it be all for today. Sean what do you have to say to me?

SEAN STONE: I think we will wait the next time, when we do manna together. I'll have more questions, I think.

ADNAN OKTAR: Alright. We love you very much. May Allah increase your faith. May Allah give you a long life, may He grant you a beautiful, auspicious life together with your mother and your father. May Allah not distance you from Islam and the Qur'an, may He always give you goodness and abundance. May the angels of Allah help you continuously and never leave your side insha'Allah. We do love you very much. You will be very well. You will be very happy, you will see this. You will feel a relief, a feeling of wellness. You are in a good place, you have met good people. You will see that you will be even better and that things will be even better. And trust me.

SEAN STONE: Insha'Allah. Masha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Alright, that is all for today then.

SEAN STONE: Thank you.


2012-05-06 01:17:34

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