The Secret Beyond Matter

Mr. Adnan Oktar's live conversation with Sheikh Bahaddin, son of Sheikh Nazim Adil al-Qubrusi al-Haqqani on A9 TV (February 22nd, 2012)

Excerpt from Mr. Adnan Oktar's Live Conversation on A9 TV dated February 22nd, 2012

ALTUĞ BERKER: We are now continuing our esteemed Master's conversation with the valuable participation of Sheikh Bahaddin, son of His Highness Sheikh Nazim. Welcome.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: As-Salamun aleykom.

OKTAR BABUNA: Wa alaykom as-salam

ADNAN OKTAR: See how his radiance resembles to that of our sheikh.

OKTAR BABUNA: Masha'Allah yes Master.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, alhamdulillah. I was filled with exhilaration and contentment when I saw him, masha'Allah. Our master, Sheikh Bahaddin has brought us most excellent news from our sheikh, masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: May Allah be pleased.

ADNAN OKTAR: Tell us how our sheikh is doing recently so the Ummah of Muhammad can rejoice. Let us hear from your own mouth.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Alhamdulillah, I have come to you and been honored.

ADNAN OKTAR: May Allah be pleased. We are the ones honored by your presence.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: I would like to thank you for receiving me and for everything.

ADNAN OKTAR: May Allah be pleased. 

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Allah has so ordained that you have made the greatest contribution to this service, masha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Astagfirullah. We have just been an instrument. We are our hodja's slaves, the sheikh's slaves.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Astagfirullah, Alhamdulillah, we are all his slaves.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: I can contently say the sheikh my father is really very well.

ADNAN OKTAR: Alhamdulillah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: And since I have left Cyprus that means the sheikh my father is very, very well indeed, alhamdulillah. We have no doubts about that, thanks be to Allah. I wanted to tell this to our Master Adnan at first hand. I also wanted to express my thanks and give these glad tidings to my hodja in person. And I am announcing this here.

ADNAN OKTAR: May Allah be pleased. Alhamdulillah. May all the Ummah of Mohammed, tell one another these glad tidings and pray for our sheikh. For our dear sheikh. May Allah grant him a much longer life masha'Allah. May Allah allow us to see Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) kiss our sheikh's hand.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Amen, insha'Allah.

ADNAN OKTAR: My beloved sheikh, masha'Allah. I have shown this beautiful gift he sent a few moments ago.


ADNAN OKTAR: It is so lovely, masha'Allah. A very rare piece indeed, masha'Allah. Really exquisite. My thanks again to the sheikh.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN:  He personally said, "Send this to my Adnan Hodja."  

ADNAN OKTAR: Ah, my beloved.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN:  And that is how I brought it. "Insha'Allah, he will like it," he said.

ADNAN OKTAR: Astagfirullah. How beautiful this is. This is a beauty that reflects the beauty in his soul, masha'Allah. What a fine, very high-quality piece, masha'Allah. Thank you very much. Our sheikh's prayers and benevolence are very important for us insha'Allah. We have always enjoyed his spiritual auspices, Alhamdulillah. May Allah never make it unavailable for us, may He never make it unavailable. He is the sweetest in the world. He is  Qutb Ul-Aqtab, Alhamdulillah. And there is no other in the world. If there were, we would have known, insha'Allah. May Allah grant him goodness, beauty, health and abundance insha'Allah. I have heard through various channels that he is quite happy again. Insha'Allah. Oktar, do go and check up on him quite often, insha'Allah. We would also ask the doctors to check up on our sheikh from time to time, masha'Allah, so that he will keep having that great impact with that fine, strong built of his. May Allah be pleased with him. Our sheikh has apparently said some fine things and I would like to hear them from you as well. He said something about the ant.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: My father the sheikh said that when the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was cast into the flames, everything was appalled. An ant brought a tiny drop of water in its mouth. He asked "would that ant be able to douse the flames with that water?" and said "Yes, it would douse them. It would extinguish the flames by the Might of Allah."

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: "For that reason," he said; "..even if everyone's service is only the same size of that of the ant, it will still become a very great service through the Might of Allah, and could extinguish, not just those flames, but the flames of the whole world if it were on fire." Masha'Allah, your service can definitely not be compared to that of the ant, but we just call ourselves ants, but yours is truly a very great service and campaign, masha'Allah, and you have entered the hearts of many, many people. You have addressed so many people's spiritual natures so that my father the sheikh pays tribute to you very much and supports you in the spiritual sense.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Help comes to you to the fullest.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: I mean it is coming to you without any interruption.

ADNAN OKTAR: My dear and most beloved sheikh. The loveliest man in the world, masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: This is most definitely not the energy of an accumulator, it is a divine energy. 

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, Alhamdulillah. He is the loveliest in the world. Beauty is spreading all over the world by the way of him, insha'Allah. I desire to hear the words of that most blessed and beloved sheikh of mine, from you because they are historic and very, very fine. We are bracing all his words anyway, that is why I like to hear them over and over repeatedly, insha'Allah. He said something about beauty, I think?

SHEIKH BAHADDIN:  He said, "Tell this specifically to my Master Adnan- 'Allah-u jamîlun yuhibbu'l-jemal'." In other words, Almighty Allah is Jamil, what he means by Jamil is beautiful. "And He loves beauty. So give the hodja my message," he said. He said "that befits him, it greatly befits his own beauty."

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, my dear one. Masha'Allah, may Allah increase his joy and health many times over. May He grant him to us. He is the joy of the world, masha'Allah. Our sheikh is the adornment of the world, Masha'Allah, Alhamdulillah. And there was something he said about his health that also really pleased me. When he said, "my son.." Masha'Allah  

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Well now, there is this point. Despite of all the means we had, my father the sheikh ruled us out, pushed us to one side

ADNAN OKTAR: Astagfirullah. My beloved one he is.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: And he said; "You sit on the side and let Adnan Hodja undertake his work." And, masha'Allah, with that task you have performed the greatest work in the world. Yet he has not left that service for anyone else to do and gave it to you. Allah bestowed that upon you and I bear witness to this, in fact I am lived it, I am not only the witness but I am a living embodiment of what he said.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, Alhamdulillah. Alhamdulillah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN:   Yours is an unbelievable beauty and service. This is an inconceivable service and a fabulous service. 

 ADNAN OKTAR: Alhamdulillah. Every word our sheikh utters is vitally important for us, great tidings that must be handed on to later generations. To let the world know that beauty, I desire to hear these over and over from your lips so that male and female hypocrites, male and female unbelievers, male and female devils can all burst with anger and so that welfare, joy and ease may enter the hearts of believers.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Amen, that is very beautiful.

ADNAN OKTAR: My dearest Sheikh.. Masha'Allah. So you say that he likes Cypriot food, masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Very much. He is very fond of Cypriot palate, the sheikh my father, we cannot ever change that about him.

ADNAN OKTAR: That is very nice.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: We have had an adventure in Japan I can tell you about. It was the year 2001. We had undertaken a great long journey, to Uzbekistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Japan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka and back. We had been traveling for two months. Consequently we landed in Tokyo. We had people serving us from Pakistan, people who are admirers of the sheikh my father. Every day we would eat Biryani, chicken tikka, massalata and all those famous Indian dishes. I said to my father; "Father, we are now in Japan. Let's eat some Japanese food. We have come to this land, let us eat their food. We can eat Pakistani food when we go to Pakistan anyway." "All right then, for your sake, let's eat some Japanese food," he replied. Then the CEO of Toshiba invited us to a Japanese dinner then. Of course a Japanese table setting was prepared. No bread. And bread is what we are most used to, of course. What arrived was raw fish, sushi and that kind of thing. That day, the sheikh my father really told me off; "My son, we went out for dinner and look where you brought us to. No bread but lots of raw fish!" Ever since then we have never wanted any Japanese or other kind of food. That was quite an adventure. So that is why the sheikh my father cannot give up the Cypriot meals. 

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah. Masha'Allah. Okay. That is great that you present him as the son of our Sheikh, but do give his name as well and write Sheikh Bahaddin as a caption to appear in the live broadcast, insha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Astagfirullah, I am no sheikh, I am merely a slave.

ADNAN OKTAR: We are all slaves to him, masha'Allah. That is your modesty, masha'Allah. May Allah be pleased.

Masha'Allah, Masha'Allah, Masha'Allah. Our sheikh's conversation is so delightful. I see the same spirituality in you. A comfort and ease immediately entered my heart. You are very similar, masha'Allah. The beauty of those sayyids and shariffs is completely upon you, masha'Allah. That is because you are both a sayyid and a sharrif masha'Allah. Alhamdulillah, yours is a most holy pedigree, alhamdulillah. Allah has bestowed great beauty upon our line, masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: That is the blessing of yours

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, Astagfirullah. We are mere instruments, insha'Allah. May Allah always preserve our sheikh in health, joy, good appetite and beauty and may he preserve that joyous love of his. May He keep him with us. Constant prayer will be very useful. Our brothers must pray at every salat. They must pray for the sheikh not just once or twice, but at all five salat. May Almighty Allah protect and preserve our sheikh against the men of the satan and evils and all wicked men, insha'Allah. Some ottoman sherbet for our sheikh. See how he drinks it, insha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: The sheikh is himself an Ottoman.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, a genuine Ottoman. Masha'Allah. How wonderful he is, an admirer of ottoman things. That side of him delights me so very much, alhamdulillah, masha'Allah. He presents his beauty to us in that aspect as well. He is the beauty, the abundance and the adornment of Cyprus. The President [of Cyprus] came to visit himand he was joking and very delightful. The President said; "My sheikh! I had heard that you were unwell." Our sheikh has a famous word that he says, he stood up after saying that word and dance around a bit. "Who told you that?" the sheikh asked. The president was most delighted. Masha'Allah. Masha'Allah.

My greetings to all those who love him. May Allah grant them all joy and relief. May Allah preserve that lovely sultan of ours, in this state of beauty and adornment. And may He grant you goodness, abundance and beauty. May He grant your family, those around you and all good, honorable people, abundance, richness and long and auspicious lives, insha'Allah. Masha'Allah, the sheikh's language truly delights me. Every word of his is important. So I always keep a record of them. For example, he draws a most delightful analogy, "an ant carrying a tiny drop of water," doesn't he?


ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, he says it puts Pharaoh's fire out. And he says [for me] "our hodja's work might be small in scale but will be highly effective". Masha'Allah, Alhamdulillah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: The Might of Allah.. With the Might of Allah, even a speck of dust can do mighty things.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, masha'Allah, it can also put out the fires of Nimrod and the fire of kufr (disbelief). Insha'Allah we are all instrumental in this, may Allah be pleased. We also hear about your fine work, Alhamdulillah. Your contacts with the rulers, heads of states, brothers of ours regarded as very worthy such as the Sultan of Brunei; I mean, all Muslims are worthy, of course, but since these people are the leaders it is of course important to reach them. Your work is most productive and auspicious. And you are also top class, masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Astagfirullah.

ADNAN OKTAR: You are high quality and also highly attractive, masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Astagfirullah, that beauty is yours.

ADNAN OKTAR: Your conversation is also most delightful. That feature of our sheikh has been passed down to you.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Astagfirullah.

ADNAN OKTAR: Your conversation is immaculate. It delights me.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: I am also delighted.

ADNAN OKTAR: You are very humorous, just like our sheikh, Masha'Allah. He speaks most rationally and joyfully. He instantly illuminates wherever he is, masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Astagfirullah.

ADNAN OKTAR: May Allah bestow abundance, plenty, goodness and good health. And insha'Allah may He keep us on the true path and not let us go astray. 


ADNAN OKTAR: May Allah also let our sheikh see the defeat of the way of the dajjal and of the perversion. And us, too. May He allow us to live to see Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). May He allow us to live to see the Prophet Jesus Messiah (pbuh). One of my greatest wishes is to see the Jesus the Messiah (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), side by side two of them together kiss our sheikh's hands, one after the other.


ADNAN OKTAR: And to embrace him and stroke his beard nicely. Look, he says, "I have been waiting since 1940." May Almighty Allah grant that. We beg Allah, insha'Allah. May He bestow that fine blessing on him. Look, I do not say, "He did not see the Mahdi (pbuh) and Jesus the Messiah (pbuh)." You never know that. You never know. He is the head of all the guides and saints and teachers. There can be no environment he does not see or hear. Those with the ability to understand will know what I mean. But I would also like to see it, with my own eyes, insha'Allah. May Allah permit.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: You have also seen it.

ADNAN OKTAR: Astagfirullah, insha'Allah, insha'Allah. May Allah make us that way. Do pray that we could be like that, insha'Allah. May Allah be pleased. My sheikh, have you any commands for us?

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Astagfirullah. I am here to expressly thank you in person.

ADNAN OKTAR: Astagfirullah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: And your team as well, masha'Allah. You have been the ones that truly delighted the sheikh, my father. You have been the ones who made us rejoice, so that in one sense we have just woken up. That is why I wanted to come here and kiss your hand.

ADNAN OKTAR: Astagfirullah, astagfirullah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: I wanted to receive your prayers. I wanted to enjoy your beautiful conversation and to sit here with you. Thanks be to Allah, today was in my destiny. It was my predestination. I give my thanks to Allah in this respect and I will perform two raka'at of salat of thanks for this purpose.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, masha'Allah, alhamdulillah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: And I also want to say the beautiful words that the sheikh, my father, wanted me to say when he was ill in a beautiful voice.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: The sheikh, my father, taught this to me and he said because my voice is Dawudi, "you say this". And insha'Allah if everyone memorizes the words and the tune of this, this is a very exhilarating, very comforting zikr.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, my sultan, please carry on.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Bismillahirrahmanirrahim, My Subhan'Allah, my Sultan Allah, my Prophet is Mohammed Aleyhisselam.  

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: He taught this himself

ADNAN OKTAR: My Master, first of all, you have a most impressive voice, masha'Allah. Like the Prophet David (pbuh). But the tune is superb, masha'Allah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: The tune is from the sheikh, my father as well. He said "Recite it just like this, just like that." I mean the tune is the tune told by the sheikh my father and the words are his zikr as well.

ADNAN OKTAR: My beloved one Masha'Allah. Alhamdulillah

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: He says "whenever you have a trouble, whenever you have distress, say this and do not fear". 

ADNAN OKTAR: Alhamdulillah, Alhamdulillah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: You can recite this even all day.

ADNAN OKTAR: Masha'Allah, what wonderful faith, what great fervor he has. At the time of his most serious sickness- well my brother, one might even find it hard to open his mouth at all. Allah, Allah. He speaks of Allah and immediately rises to his feet. He speaks of Rasulullah[the Messenger of Allah] (saas) and he rises to his feet. I mean even in that position he is in, how beautiful he speaks of Allah, religion and faith with great joy. What a fine test this is. What a fine believer. What depth! Masha'Allah, Alhamdulillah, what a beautiful love for Allah, what a beautiful love for the prophet (pbuh), what a beautiful love for Mahdi (pbuh), what a beautiful love for the Jesus the Messiah (pbuh). The Qutb of the world, Alhamdulillah. Thanks be to Allah for bestowing our dearest sultan upon us. Our brothers must also perform two raka'at of salat of thanks for his being in good health, because Allah has bestowed him upon us. Because this is a great joy, Masha'Allah. He is very vigorous, Alhamdulillah. Masha'Allah.

May Allah be pleased with you as well. You have honored and blessed us. Masha'Allah. As our sheikh said, we do serve like ants but insha'Allah we will still douse the flames of Nimrod.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: May Allah be pleased with you Master.

ADNAN OKTAR: How beautiful our sheikh has spoken. What a fine analogy he had drawn. He said; "the move of our Adnan Hodja might seem small but he will insha'Allah douse the flames of Nimrod."

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Amenna ve saddakna.

ADNAN OKTAR: Alhamdulillah.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: We believe and accept

ADNAN OKTAR: Alhamdulillah, Insha'Allah. Master, you have honored and blessed us. Our holy sheikh. We have felt your miracle, because when you entered the building a peace and ease entered our hearts. I say this and I swear I felt a peace in my heart. This is both the wonder of our sheikh and yours as well.

SHEIKH BAHADDIN: Astagfirullah, we have no wonder of our own.

ADNAN OKTAR: No.. This is how it is. Alhamdulillah, Masha'Allah. May Allah give you a happy, joyous and beautiful life with your children, with all those you look after and with our blessed Sultan. May Allah grant deep faith, and allow you to see Islamic Union. May He make us brothers in paradise. May He allow us to sit in front of our sheikh in paradise and enjoy his conversation. Along with Rasulullah (saas) and the prophets and our dear sheikh, may Allah grant us a beautiful, happy and eternal life of paradise. My Sultan if we have your permission, we can now close our program.


ADNAN OKTAR: Insha'Allah. Bismillah. Come on, let us close here. 


2012-03-18 18:24:54

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